MANU SAMOA squad for the 2011 PNC

[DJRonStar]

Uso, I can't speak for other pacific Islanders but most Samoans growing up experience domestic violence if not at home surely at relatives or friends places. Not only in Samoa but where ever Samoans live. Very dissapointed hearing about what's happened. I know Brian has got good hands but Anitelea is one guy not to mess with. Just earlier this year, him and another Bath team mate went in to a bar and got in to a brawl with 10 bouncers. Four of them needed hospital treatment. Poor Brian trying to take on two Tuilagi's. Sanele ain't a small guy either, he's be the tallest bro with the Tuilagi build gosh!

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepag...ars-and-two-mates-in-brawl-with-bouncers.html

TRF_Olyy - It was Alesana you were talking about. Henry had to po (slap) him to put him back in line in front of Leicester team mates.

Poor Freddie, if keeping Manu in line ain't enough...

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Ah, I know it was an older brother stopping a younger...

 

[AfakasiAssasin]

Uso, I can't speak for other pacific Islanders but most Samoans growing up experience domestic violence if not at home surely at relatives or friends places. Not only in Samoa but where ever Samoans live. Very dissapointed hearing about what's happened.

Unfortunately true. Still there is no excuse for violating a woman, no matter what the reason.

 

[JKFalealupo]

"Uso, I can't speak for other pacific Islanders but most Samoans growing up experience domestic violence if not at home surely at relatives or friends places. Not only in Samoa but where ever Samoans live."

Actually this ain't entirely true - and its not happening at 'most' Samoan homes or a relative or freinds place for that matter. That comment maybe correct for a few of you - but this behaviour doesn't happen in 'most' Samoan homes. It's only happening in a minority of dwellings, yet as a Samoan we seem to be associated with it just because we are Samoan.

To say that it happens wherever Samoans live?? Damn just paint this stereotype to all the Samoans around the world. It's like saying wherever there are african-americans, no-matter where they live in the world - people will still get raped...that's so ignorant uso - As a Samoan, I know many good men out there that are Samoan. Good husbands, uncles, brothers -who know how treat woman with respect. I've never seen it in the home, or at a relatives or freinds house. Fortunately that's the reality for a lot of Samoans. It just doesn't happen. Whether we are Samoans in Samoa, Australia, NZ, USA, England and wherever else - it's not taking place in 'most homes' whatever the timezone.


This behaviour is ancient times stuff and shouldn't happen anywhere whether you are Maori, Samoan, Fijian, Tongan and wait for it.....European or Palagi. (Yes it happens in the homes of these people...and you thought it was a Samoan problem, palagis do it too)

Reading the respective stories...where did it say in the reports that Brian Lima was beating his wife or another female and that they came to her rescue? Anitelea seems to have a love for fighting while in social settings as one article read, doesn't that ring a bell that he might like to throw his weight around? Also the Tuilagi brothers were intoxicated. Wouldn't a drunken person be prone to this kind of aggressive behavior.. I wonder.

hen again I'm sure you guys are right...Maybe because this is what happens when Samoans are around. The story goes that the drunken Tuilagi brother fought off Brian Lima because he was physically abusing a woman.

Yep that's what went down that night because thats what happens 'whereever Samoans live'.

I don't know about you guys but we are civilised people. I certainly haven't seen this behaviour in Falealupo...

 

[AfakasiAssasin]

Reading the respective stories...where did it say in the reports that Brian Lima was beating his wife or another female and that they came to her rescue? Anitelea seems to have a love for fighting while in social settings as one article read, doesn't that ring a bell that he might like to throw his weight around? Also the Tuilagi brothers were intoxicated. Wouldn't a drunken person be prone to this kind of aggressive behavior.. I wonder.

hen again I'm sure you guys are right...Maybe because this is what happens when Samoans are around. The story goes that the drunken Tuilagi brother fought off Brian Lima because he was physically abusing a woman.

Sole, I made the comment that 'Word has it and I dont know wether this is true or not, but I heard Brian was assaulting his wife before the Tuilagis came to her aid. Not sure what the truth behind the matter is but Brian has been charged for assaulting his wife in the past. As a player Brian Lima is def a role model, but as a person, if he is violating his wife, he definitely is not! ' As I saw the link on facebook and a few people made the same comment about Lima assaulting his wife. Not to say its true but as I said it would make sense as Lima has been charged in the past for violating his wife. I guess its likely false unless proven otherwise.

 

[JKFalealupo]

Yeah uso definatly innocent till proven guilty.

I know the chiropractor did end up in court on domestic violence charges two years ago..but facebook oi sole, how many faikakalaz are on that? lol Let's wait and see what comes of this.

What about that Wallabies v Samoa test...

 

[AfakasiAssasin]

Yeah uso definatly innocent till proven guilty.

I know the chiropractor did end up in court on domestic violence charges two years ago..but facebook oi sole, how many faikakalaz are on that? lol Let's wait and see what comes of this.

What about that Wallabies v Samoa test...

Wallabies game will be good to see how our full strength team atm will play together and who in the selectors minds is our first choice players in their respective positions. We'll have to be at our absolute BEST and bring our A game if we're to be competitive. Make no mistake though, the Wallabys are a very world class outfit, and if we don't bring it on the day....well...it could be a repeat of what happened in 2005. I feel positive in that Im sure this wont happen, and I guarantee we will put up a much better fight!

 

[MtAlbertUso]

Brian will always be my hero no matter what he's done.who's to say this isnt new?nobodys perfect.from mike tyson to brian lima?dennis rodman to greg inglis?nothing new.what Limas acomplished on the field is what i respect and will always be about the man.Go manu,good luck tomoro against the might of the tonganz.

 

[pervysage]

seems like Alafoti has recoverd in time and now is back with the team. He needs some game time so Tonga might be it and on the other note, Samoa A team arrived in Aus yesterday... The B team will meet up with the A team in aus on thursday after the pnc and Dickey T will select his starters against the wallapipi by den... my source: v-bar

 

[Sam Owen]

seems like Alafoti has recoverd...

So his name IS Alafoti, I think someone from the Samoan 7s management was playing a cruel joke when they wrote his name down as Alapoti. I couldnt stop cracking up when I first red his name lol...yeah ok ua lava ga.

 

[DJRonStar]

"Uso, I can't speak for other pacific Islanders but most Samoans growing up experience domestic violence if not at home surely at relatives or friends places. Not only in Samoa but where ever Samoans live."

Actually this ain't entirely true - and its not happening at 'most' Samoan homes or a relative or freinds place for that matter. That comment maybe correct for a few of you - but this behaviour doesn't happen in 'most' Samoan homes. It's only happening in a minority of dwellings, yet as a Samoan we seem to be associated with it just because we are Samoan.

To say that it happens wherever Samoans live?? Damn just paint this stereotype to all the Samoans around the world. It's like saying wherever there are african-americans, no-matter where they live in the world - people will still get raped...that's so ignorant uso - As a Samoan, I know many good men out there that are Samoan. Good husbands, uncles, brothers -who know how treat woman with respect. I've never seen it in the home, or at a relatives or freinds house. Fortunately that's the reality for a lot of Samoans. It just doesn't happen. Whether we are Samoans in Samoa, Australia, NZ, USA, England and wherever else - it's not taking place in 'most homes' whatever the timezone.


This behaviour is ancient times stuff and shouldn't happen anywhere whether you are Maori, Samoan, Fijian, Tongan and wait for it.....European or Palagi. (Yes it happens in the homes of these people...and you thought it was a Samoan problem, palagis do it too)

Reading the respective stories...where did it say in the reports that Brian Lima was beating his wife or another female and that they came to her rescue? Anitelea seems to have a love for fighting while in social settings as one article read, doesn't that ring a bell that he might like to throw his weight around? Also the Tuilagi brothers were intoxicated. Wouldn't a drunken person be prone to this kind of aggressive behavior.. I wonder.

hen again I'm sure you guys are right...Maybe because this is what happens when Samoans are around. The story goes that the drunken Tuilagi brother fought off Brian Lima because he was physically abusing a woman.

Yep that's what went down that night because thats what happens 'wherever Samoans live'.

I don't know about you guys but we are civilized people. I certainly haven't seen this behaviour in Falealupo...

JK - You've obviously misread or misunderstood what i wrote. I did not say that domestic violence is happening in most Samoan homes. If you read again - I said most Samoans have grown up experience domestic violence at home, a relatives or a friends place. I can only speak as a Samoan and not on behalf of other pacific Islanders which they probably have the same problem as well. It's not fair for me to generalize other ethnicities as I grew up in a Samoan family.

I have lived all around the world where Samoan communities thrive and the sad thing is that it happens wherever you go. Unfortunately this problem ain't ancient times as it still exists in our communities. Before you start jumping the gun, go back and read my post. I DID NOT say it was a Samoan problem!! I can name you 5 Manu Samoa players from the last 10 years who have run in with the law over domestic violence. This is not the forum to do so.

Now to the rugby.... Great news that Faosiliva is back in the team. I was hoping to see him in action as he adds strong running and defending and is a good scavenger of the ball from what I have seen him play in fifteens.

Go Manu!

 

[MtAlbertUso]

The team to play tonga announced an hour ago. Logovii mulipola,Ole avei,Cencus johnston,Filipo levi(capt),Johny faamatuainu,
Manaia salavea,Ray ofisa,Ofisa treviranus,Brenton helleur,Faatonu fili,David lemi,Herman porter,Fautua otto,Tim iosua,James sooialo.

Reserves;tii paulo,simon lemalu,ez taylor,afa aiono,uale mai/lualua vailoaloa,tasesa lavea,johny leota.

 

[DJRonStar]

Yes, finally get to see a few fringe players. Ray Ofisa, Ole Avei, Fa'atonu Fili, Herman Porter. Back row looks the quickest we've had in years. All three are open side flankers and with Fa'amatuainu in the second row that's a very mobile and quick forward pack. Looks like Tafua's game plan will be to try and run the big forward pack off their feet then spread it out wide to their speedy back line. Good to see Johnston and Fili get a run. All the best Manu!!

 

[bonafidehamo]

Yes, finally get to see a few fringe players. Ray Ofisa, Ole Avei, Fa'atonu Fili, Herman Porter. Back row looks the quickest we've had in years. All three are open side flankers and with Fa'amatuainu in the second row that's a very mobile and quick forward pack. Looks like Tafua's game plan will be to try and run the big forward pack off their feet then spread it out wide to their speedy back line. Good to see Johnston and Fili get a run. All the best Manu!!

Treviranus can play #6 very well, but is not a noted openside flanker. I have been waiting for Ofisa to be played at #8 because he has a very strong running game and has the 7's experience to know which options to take when presented. Salave'a really should be at #7 but Ray needs to be given a try-out as he has some great credentials.

Most exciting team on paper although not the strongest.

 

[fobcrusader]

Fahhh manu samoa had the madest butter fingers.. everytime we were getting close to their line.. knock on.. in the forward drive, knock on.. and then out to the backs.. another knock on bloody hell.. isn't the first rugby skill you learn is to catch the bloody ball.. arghh!!!... And Uale Mai (Again) gave away the last try.. he didn't mark his man properly, when he was supposed to drift out.. said it once and said it again.. He should never put on a Manu Samoa jersey, he completely sucks as well as Timoteo Iosua.. choked when given the oppurtunity missed tackles, knocked on and kept running stupid lines!!.. But our front row played well and were strong in the scrum.. Jonathan Fa'amatuainu had a pretty good game.. I personally think he's better then Daniel Leo.. the Treveranus brothers played okay with some big hits.. as well as Salavea.. Brenton Helleur played pretty good for his first time.. only one missed tackled and a few good decisions and great service... Fa'atonu Fili played not good and not bad either.. I expected more from him based on everyones comments on the forum... Herman Porter needs to learn how to catch the ball... Fatua Otto is definately not an outside centre.. didn't really create any oppurtunities for our wingers... David Lemi is a game breaker and should DEFINATELY be in the matchday 22... and James So'oialo.. although he is a great player.. I have noticed over the last three games that he can't tackle when he is left isolated to tackle someone one on one, which is a fullbacks responsibility as the last line of defence.. BUT.. I won't complain any further as it doesn't matter anyway.. Tonga played very well as a team and deserved the victory.. Congratulations Tonga!!

Now to the wallabies.. I hope we put a more consistent side out to play all the time now, starting from Australia.. No more excuses Manu.. cause I'm tired of losing.. lol

Sincerely

Angry manu samoa fan.. lol

 

[MtAlbertUso]

Totally agree with the above.I cant help but think why would these players wanna put on the blue jersey for if they know themselves they dont have the heart?too many drop balls from the backs and bad communication.Tonga deserved the win and i take my hat off to vaimounga of tonga who stopped cencus dead on his tracks,his defence put the fear of God in the man.Like I mentioned in 1 of my earlier posts,we have to put a strong team up to defend the ***le but its hard with a test in 4days with the wallabies so it stil coulda been fixed with a balance of a and b class members.Games like this just make u wanna ring filipo levi and say get the hell outa here.GOOD GAME;treviranus,afa aiono,vailoaloa,david lemz,salavea,faamatuainu.BAD GAME;cencus, james johnston,uale,sooialo(besides the kicking),iosua,fili,herman porter.As for iosua and porter these guys either dropped too many balls,ran the wrong lines and keep handbreaking as if they were scared to run.It seemed like filipo couldnt lead his troops.Bad leadership.The guys a nice guy and all but you cant be nice all the time.Cant imagine how disgusted every samoan parent would be after watching that performance and what the people watching back home in apia would be saying.Ga'o moa e leai gi koa.Soifua and all the best to the team playing this sunday.

 

[Siva Tau]

Dreadful and uninspiring performance. The truth is the gap between first team players and rest is huge. Try and mix combinations with little preparation and the results are obvious. That said there was some poor play with Otto, Porter, Iosua, Helleur in the backs awful. Lemi and So'oialo for his goalkicking the only brightspots. Fili didnt stamp authority on the match but isnt any worse than Lavea was against Fiji. Lots of wide passes and not enough straight runs.

The forwards looks a disjointed rabble. The decisions to play three no.7's failed with Ofisa treviranus the best Salavea having a poor game and apart froma big tackle Ray Ofisa was awful. Lemalu passed his use by date years ago and got monstered in the scrum, Ole Avei - ok whislt Levi worked hard Faamatuainu the best forward. I was looking forward to seeing Census but he was only a presence in the scrum.

Dropped balls, missed tackles, poor ball receiving, loose work by forwards, indecisiveness by backs culminated in the worst performance Ive seen in years.


The ref was preety crook too.

 

[aucklander]

Poor performance today, how dreadful it is to be a manu supporter and see the boys in blue play with no passion. I'm glad the coaching staff are still trialing their players and finalising the rwc squad. However it was pretty evident that the following players should not be included in the rwc squad.
Mulipola, Uale Mai, Ray Ofisa, Herman??, Fautua Otto, Timoteo Iosua, Simon Lemalu. Outclassed by their oppositions.

I hope this manu samoa team don't let us down come this rwc.

Really poor performances thus far from some of our senior players. No leadership.
Kahn Fotuali'i should be the 1 to dictate and direct the boys come this weekend. Just wish we had Henry Tuilagi in that squad to lead the forwards. I think who ever is at first five Tusi/lavea will have much more clean balls for the backs.

P.S Hope the P.I teams don't get penalized that often for tackling too hard and being too rough at the breakdowns. For the P.I Teams to pull off some upsets this RWC it will come down to the ref's calls. Let's keep our discipline boys.

 

[AfakasiAssasin]

Wasnt the best performance from the Manu Samoa, but it was expected. Samoa is right in experimenting and giving as many of their players game time as they can in preparation for their RWC squad selection.
Players that impressed yesterday were David Lemi, as he was outstanding in the backfield again and Otto worked hard for the ball all day. So'oialos boot again was spot on for Samoa and kept them in the game for most of the match. Fili didnt get as much opportunity to be creative at first five but in saying that showed composure with the little ball he got and didn't make too many mistakes. In the forwards, The Ofisa brothers both were outstanding and Fa'amatuinau was great in the lineout as our lineout worked out well the whole day. Both hookers threw well and provided food for thought as to who we'll take to the RWC. Aiono played well bringing energy and commitment into the loose trio coming off the bench.
Now onto the things that didnt work well. The handling was pretty poor for most of the day and our Indiscipline cost us alot of points (though it didnt help having the most INCOMPETENT touch ref in the world). Our scrum wasn't great as Tonga seemed to have the edge over our pack. Cencus, while I like just as much as anyone else and is a great player in most aspects of the game, isn't our best scrummaging option at tight head prop as Taumalolo had the edge over him all day. I would atleast have him in a match day team to come off the bench as an impact player. Brenton Helleur on debut, sorry but it needs to be said, was HORRIBLE. His distribution was bad, and at times he looked Lazy on the field (Watch Taumalolos try and notice his half assed effort of a chase). Iosua was another who had a a bad day as his handling, decision making and defensive work was awful. I don't think we'll see either of those two play for Samoa for the rest of the year.
Of the players in this team, the ones I want in our final RWC squad are Cencus Johnston, Ti'i Paulo, Ole Avi, Filipo Levi, Jonnathon Fa'amatuinau, Manaia Salevea, Ray Ofisa, Ofisa Treviranus, Lua Vailoaloa, David Lemi and James So'oialo. Fa'atonu Fili, James Johnston Afa Aiono and Johnny Leota all deserve another look before judgement can be passed on them.

 

[MtAlbertUso]

The teams for sundays match as it follows;

Manu Samoa; Australia;

15.Paul williams 15.Mark gerrard
14.Sailosi tagicakibau 14.James o'connor
13.George pisi 13.Adam ashley cooper
12.Seilala mapusua 12.Pat mccabe
11.Alesana tuilagi 11.Digby ioane
10.Tusi pisi 10.Matt giteau
9.Kahn fotualii 9.Nick phipps
8.George stowers 8.Ben mccalman
7.Maurie faasavalu 7.Matt hodgson
6.Taisina tuifua 6.Rocky elsom (c)
5.Daniel leo 5.Nathan sharpe
4.Kane thompson 4.Sitaleki timani
3.Ant perenise 3.Ben alexander
2.Mo schwalger (c) 2.Stephen moore
1.Zak taulafo 1.Sekope kepu

Reserves;Tii paulo,Cencus johnston,Phil levi,Manz salavea,Brent helleur,Eliota sapz,James sooialo

Australian bench;James hanson,Dan vickerman,Scott higginbotham,Beau robinson,Will genia,Kurtly beale,Tbc.

This is so far the strongest team samoa can field to date.Dont know what the story is with henry tuilagi weather he's already secured the number8 spot 4 the worldcup or injured or what...But anyway this is an ok team,i'd say around a 6-7 outa 10 il give it. YOU BE THE JUDGE!!