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It's been stated, from non-credible sources, that the kid who claimed molestation at the hands of MJ was lying.
Still, non-credible sources...
Still, non-credible sources...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Laetca @ Jun 29 2009, 09:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
[/b][/quote]To be honest shtove, since I doubt you made that image, I'm extrapolating to assholes in general, and one asshole in particular. So while I think your joke was in bad taste, it's possible you just employ very odd humour to let your point come across. It just served as a stepping board forme to ponder a bit.[/b]
You can choose not to read it. Freedom of choice, plain and simple.Glad you agree that there's some really poor form around from people, Laetca. I also have pondered it a bit and I realise something. These "people" seem to realise quite clearly that they may cause a reaction with their comments, but make them anyway. Seeing that they are annoying people seems to actually push them to post this kind of thing even more, because they like to know that they've caused people to feel bad.
The usual security blanket which gives them license to offend even more is that they tend to see it has having the right to. Freedom of expression is often used as a tool to knowingly cause others discomfort. Then there's the things that they can say about those who stand up to them, "Grow a thick skin", "Get over it", "It's not like this affected you personally"etc. The obvious intellectual defence is make it seem as though we are the problem, even though we didn't initiate the behaviour.
The most common of all defences (and the most sickening) is the dehumanisation of the subject, most commonly pointing out the errors made in their life as if to deny any good acts at all. In so doing, they attempt to achieve the aim of "justification". This justification is usually backed up by other like-minded individuals and then enables the next layer of security by providing themselves the defence of a receptive audience.
The intent doesn't seem to be to explore their right to expression, as the people who take part in this kind of behaviour rarely display something original in composition. The intent is to greedily indulge in the fullest extent of their liberties and in doing so make sure that they've denied others an enjoyable experience.
The awareness seems to certainly be there that the birth of a new life and the death of an older one are perhaps the most seriously important moments in any indiviudals existence, but their own liberties are always placed in front of this.
This behaviour is largely taken past it's logical extreme in one forum more than any other, the internet. Thats the final security blanket.
My own perspective (having lived a less than fully righteous life myself) is that I'm not a religious person, but a certain phrase seems apt, "Judge not lest ye be judged yourself". Which to me certainly seems to endorse and acknowledge the way in which "karma" or "luck" seems to intervene in our lives. We nearly all experience it. Do something wrong and then later on something goes wrong for you. It seems to balance out and is fair in nearly every way. Except one. Sometimes it seems to not come back on some people regularly, but comes back later on in much larger concentrations. Like a lump sum if you will.
Good luck, Shtove. [/b]
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (C A Iversen @ Jun 29 2009, 10:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Laetca @ Jun 29 2009, 09:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
[/b][/quote]To be honest shtove, since I doubt you made that image, I'm extrapolating to assholes in general, and one asshole in particular. So while I think your joke was in bad taste, it's possible you just employ very odd humour to let your point come across. It just served as a stepping board forme to ponder a bit.[/b]
You can choose not to read it. Freedom of choice, plain and simple.Glad you agree that there's some really poor form around from people, Laetca. I also have pondered it a bit and I realise something. These "people" seem to realise quite clearly that they may cause a reaction with their comments, but make them anyway. Seeing that they are annoying people seems to actually push them to post this kind of thing even more, because they like to know that they've caused people to feel bad.
The usual security blanket which gives them license to offend even more is that they tend to see it has having the right to. Freedom of expression is often used as a tool to knowingly cause others discomfort. Then there's the things that they can say about those who stand up to them, "Grow a thick skin", "Get over it", "It's not like this affected you personally"etc. The obvious intellectual defence is make it seem as though we are the problem, even though we didn't initiate the behaviour.
The most common of all defences (and the most sickening) is the dehumanisation of the subject, most commonly pointing out the errors made in their life as if to deny any good acts at all. In so doing, they attempt to achieve the aim of "justification". This justification is usually backed up by other like-minded individuals and then enables the next layer of security by providing themselves the defence of a receptive audience.
The intent doesn't seem to be to explore their right to expression, as the people who take part in this kind of behaviour rarely display something original in composition. The intent is to greedily indulge in the fullest extent of their liberties and in doing so make sure that they've denied others an enjoyable experience.
The awareness seems to certainly be there that the birth of a new life and the death of an older one are perhaps the most seriously important moments in any indiviudals existence, but their own liberties are always placed in front of this.
This behaviour is largely taken past it's logical extreme in one forum more than any other, the internet. Thats the final security blanket.
My own perspective (having lived a less than fully righteous life myself) is that I'm not a religious person, but a certain phrase seems apt, "Judge not lest ye be judged yourself". Which to me certainly seems to endorse and acknowledge the way in which "karma" or "luck" seems to intervene in our lives. We nearly all experience it. Do something wrong and then later on something goes wrong for you. It seems to balance out and is fair in nearly every way. Except one. Sometimes it seems to not come back on some people regularly, but comes back later on in much larger concentrations. Like a lump sum if you will.
Good luck, Shtove. [/b]
Not sure what reading books has to do with being prissy. You're a selfdeclared asshole and you seem to be proud of it, so I remain the right to be prissy.
I know there were bad jokes around long before the man died (and I fully agree that the death certificate joke wasn't all that bad, just lame,) what bothers me most is that dead people can't defend themselves in any way. Not that he did during his lifetime but still, it's the thought that counts.[/b]
The opposite.Not sure what reading books has to do with being prissy.[/b]
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Laetca @ Jun 29 2009, 06:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The opposite.Not sure what reading books has to do with being prissy.[/b]
One of what I imagine will be a few sad attention grabs
It was only a matter of time that some attention seeker who reminds me of some people from TRF, started pointing the finger at everyone else as though he has the moral right at his back.
I know some of you will really enjoy this, I only like the aspect of how it targets the media.[/b]
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (C A Iversen @ Jul 1 2009, 05:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
One of what I imagine will be a few sad attention grabs
It was only a matter of time that some attention seeker, started pointing the finger at everyone else as though he has the moral right at his back.
I know some of you will really enjoy this, I only like the aspect of how it targets the media.[/b]
I think your post is most effective with a lone violinist playing a solemn lament in the background.
I "started it" because I disagree with you. Just out of interest, please provide a brief summary of what "someone like you", i.e. me, is exactly.
I don't need to twist anyone's words despite accusations. Every single person on the planet will "judge" other people every single day of their life. We "judge" rugby players based on their on and off field performances. You "judge" the person who made the video, likening him and others on TRF to "attention seekers". I "judge" a waiter who serves me a meal. It's part of everyday life, we all do it so don't try and make out like I'm doing something unusual or wrong.
See? Not one word twisted so far.
Stop playing the self-pitying card for once and just enjoy the debate. People are allowed to have opinions contrary to yours, that's the whole point of a discussion forum. Believe it or not I don't hunt your every word looking for my moment to pounce, I just didn't agree with some of the views being expressed surrounding Wacko Jacko is this thread. That includes yours.
Address my points as a discussion rather than choosing to focus on some off kilter idea that I'm picking on you.[/b]
I think your post is most effective with a lone violinist playing a solemn lament in the background.
I "started it" because I disagree with you. Just out of interest, please provide a brief summary of what "someone like you", i.e. me, is exactly.
I don't need to twist anyone's words despite accusations. Every single person on the planet will "judge" other people every single day of their life. We "judge" rugby players based on their on and off field performances. You "judge" the person who made the video, likening him and others on TRF to "attention seekers". I "judge" a waiter who serves me a meal. It's part of everyday life, we all do it so don't try and make out like I'm doing something unusual or wrong.
See? Not one word twisted so far.
Stop playing the self-pitying card for once and just enjoy the debate. People are allowed to have opinions contrary to yours, that's the whole point of a discussion forum. Believe it or not I don't hunt your every word looking for my moment to pounce, I just didn't agree with some of the views being expressed surrounding Wacko Jacko is this thread. That includes yours.
Address my points as a discussion rather than choosing to focus on some off kilter idea that I'm picking on you.[/b]
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SaintsFan_Schweinsteiger_Webby @ Jul 1 2009, 09:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think your post is most effective with a lone violinist playing a solemn lament in the background.
I "started it" because I disagree with you. Just out of interest, please provide a brief summary of what "someone like you", i.e. me, is exactly.
I don't need to twist anyone's words despite accusations. Every single person on the planet will "judge" other people every single day of their life. We "judge" rugby players based on their on and off field performances. You "judge" the person who made the video, likening him and others on TRF to "attention seekers". I "judge" a waiter who serves me a meal. It's part of everyday life, we all do it so don't try and make out like I'm doing something unusual or wrong.
See? Not one word twisted so far.
Stop playing the self-pitying card for once and just enjoy the debate. People are allowed to have opinions contrary to yours, that's the whole point of a discussion forum. Believe it or not I don't hunt your every word looking for my moment to pounce, I just didn't agree with some of the views being expressed surrounding Wacko Jacko is this thread. That includes yours.
Address my points as a discussion rather than choosing to focus on some off kilter idea that I'm picking on you.[/b]
But you said that to me as well, Iversen.So, in short good luck to you Webby, we're just polar opposites I guess.[/b]
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (C A Iversen @ Jul 1 2009, 10:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
But you said that to me as well, Iversen.So, in short good luck to you Webby, we're just polar opposites I guess.[/b]