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Izzy Folau

All Black said:
So basically, keep it secret is what he should've done.
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No, he should just shut up about stuff he KNOWS is going to **** people off.

Like anyone else, there are plenty of things that I believe that I would not talk about in a public place.
 
All Black said:
No it's not. Pacific Islanders have deep christian beliefs. Islanders are not part of any cults.
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All Black said:
Assemblies or A.O.Gs are not cults, I can assure you. You would've come across some living in Aus and thought nothing weird about them.
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Two words - Destiny Church
Two more words - Brian Tamaki
 
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TRF_heineken said:
Not murdered, be put to death. There is a difference.

And this is just another example of how times have changed, as many Christian countries no longer have the Death Sentence as a form of criminal punishment and that it's against the most basic of human rights, which is to live.

What bothers me is that Folau doesn't seems to distinguish between human rights and the religious texts and their interpretations. What I mean by this is that at our church, we have 3 other books/scripts/literature we use to educate and follow. And these scripts also tells us about discipline, and disciplinary action, by either the church or the council. And these scripts are a form of making the bible more current, without editing the bible.

Now after the latest article and Folau hearing voices, it seems to me that he's taking everything way too literal from the Bible. But he himself, is also not following the scripture, as the Bible clearly states that you must "love thy neighbour". In Afrikaans we say "Jy moet jou naaste lief hê soos jouself". Which translates to: You must love the person the closest to you like you love yourself. Now this doesn't necessarily mean love the person who is the most dearest to you like your spouse/parents/children, it can also mean the one in closest proximity to you at any given point or time, or whoever is in your thoughts at a specified time.

This in essence mean that you must not have hatred towards anyone at any point in time. And here is where Folau is missing the point completely.
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And you can add Luke 6:31 to that - clearly Folau ignores this chapter and verse
 
smartcooky said:
And you can add Luke 6:31 to that - clearly Folau ignores this chapter and verse
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Perhaps, but then again, maybe his church doesn't follow the new testament. But yeah, it seems like he/his church only seem to look at certain passages and follow them to the tee.
 
TRF_heineken said:
Perhaps, but then again, maybe his church doesn't follow the new testament. But yeah, it seems like he/his church only seem to look at certain passages and follow them to the tee.
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Wouldn't that make him Jewish?

It's actually surprising the amount of Christians who take more stock in Old Testament rather then New.
 
smartcooky said:
Two words - Destiny Church
Two more words - Brian Tamaki
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Yeah but you do realise Izzy is a member of the A.O.G? he probably hasn't even heard of Tamaki as Destiny Church is a NZ only congregation I think..
 
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ncurd said:
Wouldn't that make him Jewish?

It's actually surprising the amount of Christians who take more stock in Old Testament rather then New.
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No, it wouldn't.

Many christian churches only follow the old testament like the Jews.

It's quite common in South Africa.
 
TRF_heineken said:
No, it wouldn't.

Many christian churches only follow the old testament like the Jews.

It's quite common in South Africa.
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Common everywhere if you ask me. The old testament has many lessons that has shaped our civilised world today. The new testament has revelations that we all know hasn't happened yet.
 
All Black said:
Yeah but you do realise Izzy is a member of the A.O.G?
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Well some people regard AoG as bordering on being a cult


All Black said:
he probably hasn't even heard of Tamaki as Destiny Church is a NZ congregation I think..
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Really?

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Would you care to take a stab at who the guy in the middle is?
 
TRF_heineken said:
No, it wouldn't.

Many christian churches only follow the old testament like the Jews.

It's quite common in South Africa.
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...Sorry this is where I have heavy confusion not even the Gospels? How can you follow Christianity and not follow the ascribed teachings of Jesus?

I thought the point of difference Judasism (apart from practices which can vary from sect to sect) is one follows the Torah (Old Testament) and believes the messiash is still to come and the other believes he has come and follow his teachings within the New Testament.
 
smartcooky said:
Well some people regard AoG as bordering on being a cult




Really?

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Would you care to take a stab at who the guy in the middle is?
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Well I did say 'probably' that means something. Below is what I said. Yeah I was wrong.
'he probably hasn't even heard of Tamaki as Destiny Church is a NZ congregation I think..'
 
smartcooky said:
Well some people regard AoG as bordering on being a cult
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Thats what they think. I thought that Izzy didnt even know Brian Tamaki lol. What I KNOW (and so I can teach you) is that A.O.Gs are not cults. They probably helped you one time and you didnt even know it. Christians are good people. Cults are horror movies.
 
ncurd said:
...Sorry this is where I have heavy confusion not even the Gospels? How can you follow Christianity and not follow the ascribed teachings of Jesus?

I thought the point of difference Judasism (apart from practices which can vary from sect to sect) is one follows the Torah (Old Testament) and believes the messiash is still to come and the other believes he has come and follow his teachings within the New Testament.
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Christianity isn't just about Jesus, because of the connotation of his name and the religion. There are many christian churches who believe in God, Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit. Some only believe in God Almighty, and some believe in God and the Holy Spirit without Jesus. Don't ask me how this happened, as I honestly don't have an answer for you. But what I can remember from my Grandfather's explanation is that when the settler's all started to come South Africa's way (and other countries), some of them followed a more German orientated aproach, others followed Catholicism (like the Portuguese) and others followed Dutch or English forms of christianity. And that was how some religions evolved or combined or split up in SA.
 
smartcooky said:
Oh, and anyone who thinks comments like the ones Folau made do no harm to anyone, you need to think again.

Words matter, especially when those words encourage and embolden the scumbags in our society to act out their thoughts. Have a read of this, and please have the courage to read it all the way to the end.

https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/most-read-story-dear-israel-folau-ve-already-been-hell
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Yeah but that probably happened before Izzys comments. These stupid attacks have been here before and will continue after Izzys comments unfortunately.
 
TRF_heineken said:
Christianity isn't just about Jesus, because of the connotation of his name and the religion. There are many christian churches who believe in God, Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit. Some only believe in God Almighty, and some believe in God and the Holy Spirit without Jesus. Don't ask me how this happened, as I honestly don't have an answer for you. But what I can remember from my Grandfather's explanation is that when the settler's all started to come South Africa's way (and other countries), some of them followed a more German orientated aproach, others followed Catholicism (like the Portuguese) and others followed Dutch or English forms of christianity. And that was how some religions evolved or combined or split up in SA.
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Cheers, honestly and genuinely enjoy learning stuff like that.
 
I'm not homosexual and of all the homos I've met, there is not one that I hate. I feel sorry for the homos when I hear their stories of abuse and struggles to be accepted in todays society, even by their own loved ones. I believe in god but I also believe that the worlds big enough for us and homos to live in. I think it's good homos are now coming out and standing up for what they believe in, but thats also what Izzys doing.

It's a tricky situation in that - while we're finally getting homos to come out of the closet, at the same time, it feels like we're asking anti-homos to put their beliefs into a closet (I hope you get my drift). Social media plays a big part here and its new and we're making rules for it as we go. Should Izzy know that he can't post the same stuff that homo-hating Joe Bloggs does? of course he does. Would Izzy think thats fair that Joe can but he can't? of course not.
 
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All Black said:
I'm not homosexual and of all the homos I've met, there is not one that I hate. I feel sorry for the homos when I hear their stories of abuse and struggles to be accepted in todays society, even by their own loved ones. I believe in god but I also believe that the worlds big enough for us and homos to live in. I think it's good homos are now coming out and standing up for what they believe in, but thats also what Izzys doing.

It's a tricky situation in that - while we're finally getting homos to come out of the closet, at the same time, it feels like we're asking anti-homos to put their beliefs into a closet (I hope you get my drift). Social media plays a big part here and its new and we're making rules for it as we go. Should Izzy know that he can't post the same stuff that homo-hating Joe Bloggs does? of course he does. Would Izzy think thats fair that Joe can but he can't? of course not.
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Geez... What to say about this post?????
 

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