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pallaovale
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I think Scotland believes Italy is easier to beat without Mauro Bergamasco. It is not real.will it be halfed on appeal aswell?
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spampy
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for a finger in a eyes??????!!!!! well deserved????? but please... don't make me laugh
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RC
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for a finger in a eyes??????!!!!! well deserved????? but please... don't make me laugh [/b][/quote]
Don't start, Newbie.
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KeepItTapu
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There is not much lower in Rugby than to gouge someones eyes. I played for a team in France where a player lost the use of one eye due to gouging. I hope his punishment sticks and he has to do his time. Not on at all
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Cymro
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for a finger in a eyes??????!!!!! well deserved????? but please... don't make me laugh [/b][/quote]
Mate how would you like it if I came and found you pushed you on the floor and gouged ur eyes out to my hear content?
Would that make you laugh then?
:ranting:
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danit
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Nidhogg
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That's just sickening.
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RC
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Did i read the caption for that image correctly?
He was suspended for a year...then had it reduced to 3 weeks?!
Holy ****, that's terrible. Who exactly was lacking in the hairy-pair-department to make this (justified) year long suspension stick?
He was suspended for a year...then had it reduced to 3 weeks?!
Holy ****, that's terrible. Who exactly was lacking in the hairy-pair-department to make this (justified) year long suspension stick?
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danit
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dunno too much about this, if I remeber correctly the ban was reduced beacuse the gouging was considered "not intentional" even if the pic seems to be a flagrant evidence of the intentionality... :wacko:
this one is much more famous
argentine forward Roberto Grau gouging the eye of welsh hooker Garin Jenkins during the RWC match between Wales and Argentina in Cardiff, Oct. 11, 1999
the gouging Grau was not penalized and Jenkins got up, rubbed his eye and continued playing for the Welsh team, which went on to win the game. Jenkins has since acquired the nickname "Tenpin"
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Cymro
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dunno too much about this, if I remeber correctly the ban was reduced beacuse the gouging was considered "not intentional" even if the pic seems to be a flagrant evidence of the intentionality... :wacko:
this one is much more famous
argentine forward Roberto Grau gouging the eye of welsh hooker Garin Jenkins during the RWC match between Wales and Argentina in Cardiff, Oct. 11, 1999
the gouging Grau was not penalized and Jenkins got up, rubbed his eye and continued playing for the Welsh team, which went on to win the game. Jenkins has since acquired the nickname "Tenpin" [/b][/quote]
Remember that, although Jenkins got up I remember him rucking him like a rapist on the floor!
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Camberabero
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As I wrote in previous post, Mauro deserves this ban, but the welsh are not saints too....
During the last years we paid every rude move we made....but we are the only one...
The IRB always deal with this thing using different decisions, Home Unions are protected. I mean IRB is right, because Italy and the other emerging countries have to underastand how to play in a fair way.
But every time a HU (or also SH) player did the same (like Mauro) they never pay as the others.
Let's call the whole thing off (Mauro's finger) do you think IRB is right ???
(I think they are)
During the last years we paid every rude move we made....but we are the only one...
The IRB always deal with this thing using different decisions, Home Unions are protected. I mean IRB is right, because Italy and the other emerging countries have to underastand how to play in a fair way.
But every time a HU (or also SH) player did the same (like Mauro) they never pay as the others.
Let's call the whole thing off (Mauro's finger) do you think IRB is right ???
(I think they are)
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Cymro
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What you mean .....
As far as I remember the Italians have always been good at foul play!!! Not being akward here but everytime I see the Bergamasco borthers I have always wanted to play against them so they cet their own treatment! Mirco is like an Italain footballer at 12!!! It was evident when Wales played Italy last, I think he was hiding the ball after giving a penalty away and so the Welsh lads cahsed him for the ball, so what did Mirco do? Fall to the ground and roll around like a girl, Mirco is also not a saint because I have seen him going into tackles and use his fists etc like his brother Mauro! Mauro is a dirty player and I wish the IRB would make a real example of him!
As for the home nations, no no we don't get away with it, Danny Grewecock is not victimised at times by ref's because of his previous record of foul play, watched one game were he got yellow carded when he ha nothing to do with the play, he'd just come on and got a yellow card becaue it was himself! In no way to the home nations get it easy!
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Camberabero
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Don't make me laugh please....do you really belive what you wrote ?
You asked me what i mean....I know you understood what I mean, you know it beacuse you're welsh.
We have to speak about two different things:
1 Normal play (accidental penaltyies in gameplay)
2 Foul play (professional fouls and wild play as violent act)
1: In normal play HU are protected, every time they play against emerging countries and their player deserve a yellow card (just more or less than 3 fouls - same infringement) sometimes they took it or not, it depends on the refs and who play at home....(see its last example in wales v italy some red palyer for deliberate infringment and late tackle).
2: In this case IRB see everyone with the same eye. Everybody is equal when did something very bad and wrong. The players are punished after the game with a long ban (as Mauro).
But during the games the refs did not do the same, they do not punish with red card for violent play, most of all in games betwen HU + SH.
EC (emerging countries) have to learn how to avoid violent play, so they punish them everytime (i agree with this policy as i wrote before) HU everytime receive just a warning...."do not do it againg!" if not YELLOW CARD.
No comment for most of your arguments (like italian footballers), because when you wrote it i belive you were out of your mind because an ITALIAN just told you a right RUGBY lesson.
That was not our fault if WALES kicked the penalty into touch in 2007......
You asked me what i mean....I know you understood what I mean, you know it beacuse you're welsh.
We have to speak about two different things:
1 Normal play (accidental penaltyies in gameplay)
2 Foul play (professional fouls and wild play as violent act)
1: In normal play HU are protected, every time they play against emerging countries and their player deserve a yellow card (just more or less than 3 fouls - same infringement) sometimes they took it or not, it depends on the refs and who play at home....(see its last example in wales v italy some red palyer for deliberate infringment and late tackle).
2: In this case IRB see everyone with the same eye. Everybody is equal when did something very bad and wrong. The players are punished after the game with a long ban (as Mauro).
But during the games the refs did not do the same, they do not punish with red card for violent play, most of all in games betwen HU + SH.
EC (emerging countries) have to learn how to avoid violent play, so they punish them everytime (i agree with this policy as i wrote before) HU everytime receive just a warning...."do not do it againg!" if not YELLOW CARD.
No comment for most of your arguments (like italian footballers), because when you wrote it i belive you were out of your mind because an ITALIAN just told you a right RUGBY lesson.
That was not our fault if WALES kicked the penalty into touch in 2007......
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Cymro
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Bravo Bravo Bravo :bravo: :bravo: :bravo:
Amazing, absolute amazing! Where shall I start ... where .....
Why are we bringing 2007 up? That was a good 365 days or so ago so why the hell do you bring that up? Ill tell you why because you are living in the past! That is why! Italy in the past have had some good players Dominguez and Troncon to name two! Italy are now needing to move on from these two great servants of Italian rugby. The current squad is a poor one and you can only look at the positive from 2007 which when the ref told Wales they ahd enoguh time for the kick into touch and the lineout! But I dont give a dam about that because Wales are under a new era my friend one of optimisim!
What is the fact that im Welsh got anything to do with the way I understand you? I don't quite know what you are talking about at times!
Regarding your point one, HU should be HN (Home Nations!!!), can you give me an example of this? What Welsh player? But what about your lock who almost decapitated poor Stephen Jones after the ball had gone? Surley that was a yellow?
You second point is a good one, however I do feel refs do give cards out when it's neccessary however I feel when they have carded one team once they rarley do it again in another player does the same infringement again! Ive seen it once this season in a mangers league game! However a red card is only merritted in rugby for a serious serious foul e.g. deliberate stamping! However this does happen in rgby games but ref's do not always see this and when touch judges do they are to sacred to give an honest opinion for fear of the fans!
Urm ... again I don't understand but I'll have a shot at this one ....
Sorry I don't see the lesson you have just handed me or your national team. Im not here to cause an argument but I dont think you know what you yourself are writing or talking about at times! Mate I don't give two hoots, the fact is that Mauro and Mirco are both people who commit sinical fouls at times, how can you justify a player getting touched e.g. Mirco and then falling to the ground like a baby and rolling around? You tell me thats not wrong, I don't want football in the game I love and thats why I love the game because it's so different to that of football, the crowd mix of fans, the drinking, the atmosphere, the game itself etc but the fact is it's not the first time I ahve seen Mirco collapse to the floor and act like an Italian footballer rolling round on the floor when there is nothing wrong with him.
If you want to come back with a good reply please do because im here all year!
Good Night and Thank You!
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dundeesmiffy
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Mauro was always on the cusp of the rule breaking.
Remember during the Scotland Italy match in the world cup, Bergamasco tripped a Scottish player deliberately, I can't remember if he got cited for it or or not, but one thing I always notice about him is he's almost always pushing the rules, losing his temper and committing foul play was a step in a similar direction. Let's hope he learns from this and continues to play the same brand of hard hitting openside play and leave the bickering at the door?
Remember during the Scotland Italy match in the world cup, Bergamasco tripped a Scottish player deliberately, I can't remember if he got cited for it or or not, but one thing I always notice about him is he's almost always pushing the rules, losing his temper and committing foul play was a step in a similar direction. Let's hope he learns from this and continues to play the same brand of hard hitting openside play and leave the bickering at the door?
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Camberabero
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Dear Cymro you're gone out of the road (sorry 4 my english, i don't know if this is an english sentence...but you missed the point we were talking about).
In previous posts I setted some example to make everybody understand how we feel sometimes refs decisions, and you should have read it (I belive you did not).
AS I TOLD : THIS BAN IS SO RIGHT !!!
Mauro lost his mind just AFTER being punched by one "VERY FAIR WELSH" player....somebody tell he's Philips.
Mauro is wrong beacuse he MUST STAY CALM (NEVER REACT !!! even tough that player deserved to be kicked in his balls).
Mauro and Mirco I can tell you , probably you think it different, they are two good and brave guys, even though they did something bad or very bad...in their career.
Again, do not talk about italian rugby in this topic, this is not the right place...Open a new thread if you to teach us how to progress in rugby.
So you disgust football because it's not rugby("the crowd mix of fans, the drinking, the atmosphere" - I agree about that, rugby is magic because of that too)...of course you're welsh, rugby for you is everything, is religion,...
oh it's like football in Italy...it's religion.
Don't be ridiculous saying " Mirco is like an Italain footballer at 12!!!" because you think about the italian footballer stereotype..
so i think you don't know Paolo Maldini or Alex Del Piero and many mores....have a google search on them.
The HU or HN, as you prefer, are always punished only after their second or third big infringement, the others (EC) are always punished their first time...and as i wrote before....i agree with this policy, because their attitude to the game is wrong and they have to learn it.
BUT....you should recognized and accepted this policy, even though you don't want to admit it and you prefer tell that everybody in rugby is equal.....try to translate this: "due pesi e due misure" that's how refs decide in test matchs.
Why are we bringing 2007 up?
BEAUSE WELSH WERE ANGRY LOSING AGAINST ITALY THAT WAY !!!
Now you had your revenge...I think you can be happy.
In previous posts I setted some example to make everybody understand how we feel sometimes refs decisions, and you should have read it (I belive you did not).
AS I TOLD : THIS BAN IS SO RIGHT !!!
Mauro lost his mind just AFTER being punched by one "VERY FAIR WELSH" player....somebody tell he's Philips.
Mauro is wrong beacuse he MUST STAY CALM (NEVER REACT !!! even tough that player deserved to be kicked in his balls).
Mauro and Mirco I can tell you , probably you think it different, they are two good and brave guys, even though they did something bad or very bad...in their career.
Again, do not talk about italian rugby in this topic, this is not the right place...Open a new thread if you to teach us how to progress in rugby.
So you disgust football because it's not rugby("the crowd mix of fans, the drinking, the atmosphere" - I agree about that, rugby is magic because of that too)...of course you're welsh, rugby for you is everything, is religion,...
oh it's like football in Italy...it's religion.
Don't be ridiculous saying " Mirco is like an Italain footballer at 12!!!" because you think about the italian footballer stereotype..
so i think you don't know Paolo Maldini or Alex Del Piero and many mores....have a google search on them.
The HU or HN, as you prefer, are always punished only after their second or third big infringement, the others (EC) are always punished their first time...and as i wrote before....i agree with this policy, because their attitude to the game is wrong and they have to learn it.
BUT....you should recognized and accepted this policy, even though you don't want to admit it and you prefer tell that everybody in rugby is equal.....try to translate this: "due pesi e due misure" that's how refs decide in test matchs.
Why are we bringing 2007 up?
BEAUSE WELSH WERE ANGRY LOSING AGAINST ITALY THAT WAY !!!
Now you had your revenge...I think you can be happy.
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Cymro
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Right then I've had some time to think of this and have decided to come with a few replies to this post!
Happy bah im never happy !!! :huh:
Again its back to 2007, why oh why ... again that's in the past it's all about this six nations and the future ones to come, past form etc means nothing! Understand my friend that we were not angry at losing to the Italians it's the fact that we got screwed over by Chris White, who later admited to his mistake! The fact was we did play terribly in that match, the Italians played well but we also got done over by the ref.
Mate how can I not sterotype Mirco as a footballer? He ponces around like one and its a fact mate that he acts like one! I was sitting next to an Italian at the game and the first thing he said to me that he hopes Mirco does not disgrace himself as usual! Now when I asked him what he meant he told me as I have said in this thread that Mirco acts as an Italian footballer who when he gets knocked back by someone he goes off and acts like a baby, I had to concur with him! He continued by adding that Mirco can be a good player but likes to defend his brother to much, which is fine but on the pitch you have to look after yourself and not your brother!
Mate I know quite alot about Italian football thank you, followed Fiorentina for a small period of time a couple of seasons ago, you might care to mind that I know players such as Dino Zoff and Giorgio Chinagilla (spelling)! Just to inform you that Dino was and probably one of the greatest goalkeepers to be produced in football and Giorgio scored goals for fun for Lazio and then when he moved to the Cosmos!!! (Back on Topic)
You are now saying that the so called home nations are getting away with things, I think you need to go and watch some games! Rugby is reffed fair and square to a certain degree! Ref's make mistakes etc! However to say that ref's are biased towards home nations sides are silly! It depends on the infringements and what do they merit, and dont come back and say I say rugby sides are treated euqally and I don't understand!!! I have understood rugby from my early ages say of 8 or 9!!! Mate I suggest you go and watch more rugby, dont take it in the wron way but my gosh you need to watch more rugby to see that your statement is not true! Now ref's do not go out with the intention to go out and ensure that sides liek Italy fail they don't do that, ref's call it as they see it! If you don't like that then go and write a letter to the IRB and complain about it!
The translation means : two weights and two measures :bana: !!!
No one can question their passion or their bravery but when they act in unproffesional manner in the game then they desrve what is coming to them, I know you agree to Mauro's ban but as dundeesmiffy said Mauro has a track record and sometimes he does get away with it, even from citing panels! So don't go on and say the HN are looked after, sometimes they are but I can say that Mauro has got away with his fair share!
Mate this is a thread about an Italian after all so why can't people and myself commented on topics about Italian rugby that has relevance to the topic!
As one Welshman said: 'Dyfal donc a dyrr y garreg!'
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Camberabero
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I hope that you could understand english because you're welsh, but it seems you don't.
I never wrote or thought those things you wrote:
"Now ref's do not go out with the intention to go out and ensure that sides liek Italy fail they don't do that, ref's call it as they see it! If you don't like that then go and write a letter to the IRB and complain about it!"
"So don't go on and say the HN are looked after, sometimes they are but I can say that Mauro has got away with his fair share!"
Did I write this ?
OF COURSE I DIDN'T !!
How could you presume my thinking?
ARE U MAD ???
I think you only want to be the good one, the one who says always right, who has always reason.
You're just the polemic one, OPEN YOUR MIND M8 !!!
Are u able to understand that the world is beautiful beacuse nobody can think the same ???
Don't tell me to go out and watch more rugby...
I know rugby very well, I play rugby twice a week since 1997.
YOU SHOULD COME TO ITALY AND SEE SOME REAL ITALIAN FOOTBALL MATCH, THEN YOUR LITTLE MIND WILL CHANGE...I HOPE FOR YOU !!!
You can only reason by stereotypes....
Chinaglia is bad person, he's not a good fella, he scored a lot of goals but that not mean it was a good example.
I wrote Maldini and Del Piero because they are international class players and very good examples of sportmanship for young people.
The example list is too long, but trust me, in all matches i saw in my life, Refs always look after HN.
Don't want to continue your polemic game...we're just going out of topic..
Good Rugby WELSHMAN hope you can accept critics...if you cannot, i'm sorry for you.
I never wrote or thought those things you wrote:
"Now ref's do not go out with the intention to go out and ensure that sides liek Italy fail they don't do that, ref's call it as they see it! If you don't like that then go and write a letter to the IRB and complain about it!"
"So don't go on and say the HN are looked after, sometimes they are but I can say that Mauro has got away with his fair share!"
Did I write this ?
OF COURSE I DIDN'T !!
How could you presume my thinking?
ARE U MAD ???
I think you only want to be the good one, the one who says always right, who has always reason.
You're just the polemic one, OPEN YOUR MIND M8 !!!
Are u able to understand that the world is beautiful beacuse nobody can think the same ???
Don't tell me to go out and watch more rugby...
I know rugby very well, I play rugby twice a week since 1997.
YOU SHOULD COME TO ITALY AND SEE SOME REAL ITALIAN FOOTBALL MATCH, THEN YOUR LITTLE MIND WILL CHANGE...I HOPE FOR YOU !!!
You can only reason by stereotypes....
Chinaglia is bad person, he's not a good fella, he scored a lot of goals but that not mean it was a good example.
I wrote Maldini and Del Piero because they are international class players and very good examples of sportmanship for young people.
The example list is too long, but trust me, in all matches i saw in my life, Refs always look after HN.
Don't want to continue your polemic game...we're just going out of topic..
Good Rugby WELSHMAN hope you can accept critics...if you cannot, i'm sorry for you.
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Cymro
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Mate you should go and learn English before you have a go at me for mine and the understanding of it!
You said that you felt that HN sides get away so you are saying that ref's are leanient towards the HN!!!!
Mate go and read and understand what you have wrote before coming back and having a go at me!
I think you are quite confused in what you have written and you have contradicted yourself which at the end of the day makes me laugh!
Mate my view is shared by many others and even Italians themselves! Now I suggest before you come back and find some absured way to have another go at me and miss-interpret something I have said go and think before posting!
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Nidhogg
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Next person that says "mate" gets it >_<
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