Ireland v England, 10/02/13

[Teh Mite]

Ah, but if he were French, he'd have ignored the ban and carried on playing regardless!

 

[Groundhog]

Well we're lucky we have two good replacements at Loosehead.

 

[Big Ewis]

^ :lol: wth ?!

 

[snoopy snoopy dog dog]

Tom Court and Dave Kilcoyne. Court is a very good losehead who's often shoehorned into tighthead where he's incompetent. Kilcoyne is an up and comer. Ireland are actually pretty well off at 1. If something happened Mike Ross on the other side of the scrum, we'd be screwed.

Healy has been released to play for Leinster this week. Makes a mockery of the IRBs ban on him which only starts on Sunday. Bans should be for a number of matches, not weeks.

 

[coonor]

Tom Court and Dave Kilcoyne. Court is a very good losehead who's often shoehorned into tighthead where he's incompetent. Kilcoyne is an up and comer. Ireland are actually pretty well off at 1. If something happened Mike Ross on the other side of the scrum, we'd be screwed.

Healy has been released to play for Leinster this week. Makes a mockery of the IRBs ban on him which only starts on Sunday. Bans should be for a number of matches, not weeks.

The loss of Healy is obviously a big blow, considering the form he is in. However like you say Court and Kilcoyne are very good replacement. In fact the battle between these two for next couple of games promises to be even more interesting.

 

[Teh Mite]

Healy has been released to play for Leinster this week. Makes a mockery of the IRBs ban on him which only starts on Sunday. Bans should be for a number of matches, not weeks.

You're joking?!

 

[Peat]

You're joking?!

They didn't include the Leinster game in the ban on the grounds that they didn't believe he'd be released to play in it - and by starting it after, banned him from playing against France. Which, normally, would be correct (the release bit) but obviously if they can and he won't be playing Ireland games for a bit, they will. All very ridiculous.

 

[SelimNiai]

What I cannot understand is that nobody at the IRB has looked at the ban then looked at that news and thought "thats not right". Ban someone then allow him to maintain form by playing. The mind boggles at the stupidity of that

 

[Draggs]

The IRB will never cease to amaze me.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

It's an absolute farce.
Whoever is in charge of the Pro12 should enforce their own 3 week ban as well, to stop him playing at all.

 

[Peat]

Oh, and McCarthy's out of the next Ireland game.

 

[TRF_Cymro]

 

[Teh Mite]

What I cannot understand is that nobody at the IRB has looked at the ban then looked at that news and thought "thats not right". Ban someone then allow him to maintain form by playing. The mind boggles at the stupidity of that

If there's a loophole there you can't blame them for exploiting it (particularly when everybody exploits whatever they get away with), but especially as the IRFU's rest of the year flagship brand for the needs all the draw it can muster with the early HEC exit. A big name playing when they weren't supposed to be - puts bums on seats and stops some of the crowd from saying "sod it" for 1 weekend.

 

[snoopy snoopy dog dog]

It's an absolute farce.
Whoever is in charge of the Pro12 should enforce their own 3 week ban as well, to stop him playing at all.

It is a farce. The IRB handed down a stupid punishment. It should have been 4 weeks IMO. The IRFU and Kidney are showing up the farce for what it is by telling Leinster they can include Healy.

If I were Joe Schmidt, I wouldn't pick him. Give Healy a rest to supplement his ban since he'll likely go on the Lions tour and be playing into July. At home to a weakened Treviso is a good opportunity to give game time to Jack McGrath who has shown up well this season and will be counted on a lot more next year.

 

[Tony Manx]

Ah, but if he were French, he'd have ignored the ban and carried on playing regardless!

I would merely say Atoub and Dupuy to your Tickou!!

 

[TRF_Cymro]

More news regarding Cian Healy:

There have been media reports in the last two days that suggest that the three-week playing suspension imposed on Irish international, Cian Healy, by an independent Disciplinary Committee following the Ireland v England match in the RBS 6 Nations Championship on Sunday, 10 February 2013 is somehow unprecedented and/or outside the scope of the relevant regulations. There have also been media reports that suggest that Leinster (Mr Healy's provincial side) may have selected (or were able to select) Mr Healy to play in this weekend's RaboDirect Pro12 match against Benetton Treviso. Therefore Six Nations Rugby Limited (the company that administers the disciplinary process for the RBS 6 Nations Championship) wishes to clarify the position.

During the hearing of the citing complaint against Mr Healy, the chairman of the independent Disciplinary Committee, Roger Morris of Wales, made it clear to Mr Healy and those representing him at the hearing that Mr Healy was suspended from the date on which he had been informed of the citing complaint against him (11 February 2013) until midnight on the night of Sunday, 10 March 2013. The Disciplinary Committee has not yet produced its written decision but Mr Morris has today written to Six Nations Rugby Limited and those representing Mr Healy at the hearing to confirm the position. Mr Morris says, in relevant part: 'I do not think anyone present at the hearing on Wednesday was in any doubt that Mr Healy is not free to play again until after midnight on 10 March'. Accordingly, Mr Healy is currently suspended and will remain suspended — subject to appeals — until 11 March 2013. He is therefore not eligible to play for Leinster in this weekend's RaboDirect Pro12 match against Benetton Treviso. Mr Healy has a right of appeal against the decision of the independent Disciplinary Committee, as do Six Nations Rugby Limited and the IRB. However, in the event of an appeal Mr Healy will remain suspended pending any appeal hearing.

In addition, following clause 2.5.99 of the Six Nations Disciplinary and Anti-Doping Rules (which is consistent with IRB Regulations 17.19.10 and 17.19.11), and in keeping with other decisions, the Disciplinary Committee excluded this weekend from its calculations of the three-week suspension as a result of evidence given at the hearing to the effect that Mr Healy would not have been selected to play for Leinster in this weekend's match against Benetton Treviso.

Notes:

1.Cian Healy was the subject of a citing complaint following a stamp to the leg of an opponent during the Ireland v England match on 10 February 2013. Six Nations Rugby Limited sent Mr Healy written notification of the citing complaint on Monday, 11 February 2013 and gave him details of the hearing to be held before an independent Disciplinary Committee. In accordance with the Six Nations Disciplinary and Anti-Doping Rules (and IRB Regulation 17), SNRL also informed Mr Healy that he was immediately suspended from playing rugby union anywhere in the world, pending the resolution of the case by the Disciplinary Committee.

2. The hearing of the citing complaint against Mr Healy was held onWednesday, 13 February 2013 at Heathrow. Mr Healy (among others) attended the hearing. The citing complaint against Mr Healy was upheld by the independent Disciplinary Committee who determined that a three-week playing suspension was the appropriate sanction.

3. Clause 2.5.98 of the 2013 Six Nations Disciplinary and Anti-Doping Rules provides that 'where the Disciplinary Committee decides to suspend a Player, the suspension will be effective immediately, subject to the Disciplinary Committee's discretion to commence the suspension on another date, for example, on the date on which … an interim suspension was imposed …'.

4. Clause 2.5.99 of the 2013 Six Nations Disciplinary and Anti-Doping Rules provides that 'in determining the length of any period of suspension, the Disciplinary Committee will take into consideration all playing consequences of such a suspension and exclude … any periods in which the Player is not fit, available and expected to play …'.
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http://captaintrolley.wordpress.com/2013/02/15/cian-healy-disciplinary-update/

 

[Teh Mite]

Cue: Nashing of teeth and wailing of unfair treatment from children on the Planet Rugby message boards...

 

[SelimNiai]

In that case I (mostly) take back what I said. Mostly

 

[Tony Manx]

Surely could do nowt else without looking bigger F....wits than they actually are!!

 

[Big Ewis]

Goddamn it Healy, seriously, like Ireland needed this...I'm so tired of reading his name everywhere after the "incident".
This guy is the quickest I've seen in Rugby at responding to friction. You want him out of the match, just throw the ball on him or prod him just a few times, you can be sure he's out...he's "just" 25, but still...how about a little bit of maturity here, putting his entire national side's fate for the 6N in jeopardy...