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In Argentina: The working class hates Rugby

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We were part of Russian empire for 2 centuries. even now we have big problems with them (just had war few years ago). But relations between ordinary people is more or less ok due to historic ties.

I met a man from Georgia a couple years ago - he was an amazing artist! He told me about the beauty of the country, and showed me pictures - just lovely! I never realized Georgia had such a big wine-making industry as we rarely get Georgian wine here in the States. The only other thing I know about the country is that young singer named Bera - quite fetching, he is. :)


das
 
I met a man from Georgia a couple years ago - he was an amazing artist! He told me about the beauty of the country, and showed me pictures - just lovely! I never realized Georgia had such a big wine-making industry as we rarely get Georgian wine here in the States. The only other thing I know about the country is that young singer named Bera - quite fetching, he is. :)


das

Thanks dasNDanger!
Georgia is a small country and there is not enough ground for produce wine in big quantities. That's why Georgia mostly exports wine in neighboring countries.
I've been to the US last year for a week (in Chicago). People are great and very communicative. And of course the the "Windy City" is amazing.
 
just had war few years ago).

fully aware.

even now we have big problems with them

reaaaaally ???!!! nooooo !! "big problems" ? I don't believe you ;)

And yes I'm sure the local man feels more or less similar to the basic Russian man...I'm sure there are cultural similarities, beyond religion.
 
Thanks dasNDanger!
Georgia is a small country and there is not enough ground for produce wine in big quantities. That's why Georgia mostly exports wine in neighboring countries.
I've been to the US last year for a week (in Chicago). People are great and very communicative. And of course the the "Windy City" is amazing.

Americans love to hear themselves talk. :)

I've never been to Chicago - I'm on the east coast and Philadelphia is our closest city. We talk funny here... :p



(I just derailed the thread, didn't I?)

It's really nice to see so many from different countries here representing their love of the game. I'm sure there are lots of people in Argentina who feel the same way...just gotta talk the game up on the street, get people curious about it, then the interest will grow, regardless if they're rich, or poor.



das
 
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fully aware.



reaaaaally ???!!! nooooo !! "big problems" ? I don't believe you ;)

And yes I'm sure the local man feels more or less similar to the basic Russian man...I'm sure there are cultural similarities, beyond religion.

Of course there are some similarities due to long lasting relations. Russian used to be second language in Georgia for a long time (now its is being replaced by English. French and German is also becoming popular).
At the same time mentality is very different. We have southern temper and are more emotional. Its a typical difference between Southern and Northern people. Difference between Norwegian and Italian would be good example in this case.:D
 
Americans love to hear themselves talk. :)
I've never been to Chicago - I'm on the east coast and Philadelphia is our closest city. We talk funny here... :p
das
Do not know too much about Philadelphia, but I used to be big fan of Iverson. What an amazing guy he was!
 
Conrad,
1- Well, the Georgian sounds coeherent for me. In any case, I don´t think someone need to play an sport to talk about it. Otherwise how many of us would support/talk about F-1 ?
2- You´re right. We have black people and we´re are a much more "mixed" community as well. But I doubt that is impossible to find a talent to play rugby in the Argentinian "ghettos". I think it would only make the Pumas stronger.
3- Yeah! It was fantastic! Would be wonderful if los Teros qualified! It will be really tough for them to win USA in Atlanta, but who knows?
4- I´m afraid I don't get your point here, but ok, let me introduce myself…
I watch and follow rugby since WC 2007. Since 2012 I play in amateur level.
Nowadays I play the "Série C Paulista", which is the 3rd division local championship. I play for Portuguesa Rugby, which is the rugby team of the traditional football team "Portuguesa" (I think Portuguesa never was in a big contest in Libertadores, so I don´t know if you know them… they´re like, I don´t know, a Chacaritas Jr. or something from Argentina).
So, I train 4 days a week on the pitch and I´m always trying to learn more and more about rugby. Of course I´m a beginner comparing with you or people who has born in countries such as NZ, AU, UK, IR or others, and that´s why I joined the forum, I need to learn a lot yet. BUT, I still not getting your point with your question, have I talked some bull**** so far?

SimonG

Yes, Simon! That is what happens…
Of course there´s some rugby guys from here who still with the rivalry and will never support Argentina in any case, but the truth is: Rugby is a territory where we´re not rivals. We actually use to play against a Team C of them and still we lose by 80 points!
In history we have won only one game against them in a minor 7´s championship by 7 x 0… So, people here actually admires the Pumas. And we think that if they become stronger in the world of Rugby, it´ll be good for the neighbors…
Well, I don´t know, if in 20 or 30 years we had a team to face them, of course it´ll be a whole new scenario and, then, it´ll be time for the old rivalry!

1- It's different, you don't need $ 1 million to play rugby
2- As I said, the doors of rugby clubs are open to the working class. If they can't tolerate the blows of the rugby, that's their problem. No one forbids them to the practice of rugby here.
3- It would be very nice for the Consur that Uruguay back to a WC
4- OK

A Brazilian supporting Argentina in Rugby?. Seriously?. In football they want to kill each other (oh how I'd love an Argentina-Brazil final at the World Cup).

Argies and Uruguayans dont like each other either..intense rivalry. Surely it's the same in Rugby?

Never knew anyone in Uruguay played Rugby until that film Alive came out about the plane crash of the rugby team in the Andes

Read this article that I translated for you:

The Pumas and its contagion effect in the region. The sporting success of the Pumas in recent times have generated a tremendously positive effect on the entire region of South American Rugby.

Unlike other team sports (Like football) , emerging countries within the region are far from living that Pumas growth with envy or contempt. Quite the contrary. Have taken it as an opportunity to expand the player base and spread the game in their own territory.

Moreover, they have taken as a mirror the spirit and the passion with which they play the Argentines. When you start an international competition either Rugby Championship or the World Cup, all rugby players in the region are, somehow, crazy fans of the Pumas. Here there is no such footballing rivalry of wanting "To go bad neighbor". Everyone line proud behind Argentine epics.

Strong evidence of magnetism generated by the Pumas in South America is the amount of Brazilian, Uruguayan, Paraguayan and Chilean , among others, which are mobilized every year to watch the matches of the Pumas in their various presentations against to the giants of the Tri Nations.

That magnetism and identification with a way of living the rugby has been taken as an example for many countries in the region. It has generated a contagion effect magnitude and today , we can say that our Pumas also play and represent the entire CONSUR. (South American Rugby Union)

Their triumphs and feats leave happy and proud to all member countries and it seems that the magical aura expands Pumas spread to the remotest corners where rugby is practiced. All they lie behind the success of the Pumas and still manage to multiply their enthusiasm, commitment and preparation for the game.

While in other sports , the picture is different and daunting. The growth of some other rivalries increases and turns unconstructive debates. If we talk about football for example, the evolution and growth of others always generates a wave of antipathy and detractors. By contrast , the success of the Pumas produced admiration and our neighbors especially identification.

A sports mobilizes growth throughout the region and creates a virtuous circle in terms of broadcasting the game and level of competition . I insist. The South American countries are line behind Los Pumas to copy and try to grow , and not to exalt differences , dislikes or false sports rivalries as in other sports.

http://www.rugbyfun.com.ar/nota.asp?not_codigo=81703
 
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(I just derailed the thread, didn't I?)
...wouldn't be a first, now would it...

Of course there are some similarities due to long lasting relations. Russian used to be second language in Georgia for a long time (now its is being replaced by English. French and German is also becoming popular).
At the same time mentality is very different. We have southern temper and are more emotional. Its a typical difference between Southern and Northern people. Difference between Norwegian and Italian would be good example in this case.:D
sure. The classic cold-bloodedness vs emotional hot-bloodedness. Like English and French, or English and celtic, or French and German...we're on the same boat then buddy :p

Do not know too much about Philadelphia, but I used to be big fan of Iverson. What an amazing guy he was!
yeah me too as a teenager. Then I understood the game was more than just nice crossovers and breaking ankles. What a disaster he's been since leaving Philly.......
 
Very interesting post (again) Conrad. Thanks for the information. I love learning more about the sporting landscape of South America (to me that region is the pinnacle of sport given it has produced the best football players ever). South America being a Spanish/Portuguese speaking continent means we don't quite know as much about the region as others, so it's always good to learn more.
 
I have a question about Argentina's jerseys. Why is the colour of 7s jersey completely different from 15s? Many countries use different jerseys for 7s and 15s, but basic team colours are normally same.
 
...wouldn't be a first, now would it...


sure. The classic cold-bloodedness vs emotional hot-bloodedness. Like English and French, or English and celtic, or French and German...we're on the same boat then buddy :p
Exactly Dude. Now you understand me:)
 
I do not know what to respond on this ****ty post.
Its a pitty that its virtual forum. Otherwise I would teach you the good manners.. stupid idiot.

"Footbal is more popular than Rugby", of course! Rugby will never be more popular than football. Is a danger sport:

http://www.therugbyforum.com/threads/33012-Alex-McKinnon-Quadriplegic-after-dangerous-tackle

Fot that reason, rugby will never be more popular than football. So Rugby will never be more money than football then is stupid to compare rugby and football by number of athletes and money

Stupid Georgian!
 
That's true. Football will always be more popular than Rugby no matter what happens to this world. So many reasons for it to name, but basically:

- already culturally engraved into major countries and regions of the world. Good luck reversing that culture from the collective minds of entire continents.
- much, much more simple to play and easy to simulate/accessibility: kids in Brazilian suburbs use socks for a ball and anything for goals. Play barefoot, etc...
- much more simple to understand: positions, rules especially, etc...
- much more attractive to the impatient mainstream eye.
- much less physical and demanding: injuries, etc...and the rugged dimension of the style, most guys would rather not get in the mud and dirty.
....etc...etc...etc...
 
Don't say working class as a generic term...villeros patoteros boliguayos are not working class. They're more like chavs and don't like things like effort, pain, respect, loyalty, discipline, etc. Happens everywhere. Nevertheless, they like violence and money...boxing is not unlikely to be respected by them. High class is on top mainly because, besides luck, of that values.

Georgia is a must to visit on my list. Iran is on the list too, but I don't know how well recieved are jews there haha... Georgia is like the Spain of the Caucasus...from Iberia to Iberia :p

Didn't know georgian forwards had a wrestling background...greco-roman or freestyle? Greco should be more suitable to it. Wrestling is the most physically demanding sport on the planet Earth.
 
That's true. Football will always be more popular than Rugby no matter what happens to this world. So many reasons for it to name, but basically:

- already culturally engraved into major countries and regions of the world. Good luck reversing that culture from the collective minds of entire continents.
- much, much more simple to play and easy to simulate/accessibility: kids in Brazilian suburbs use socks for a ball and anything for goals. Play barefoot, etc...
- much more simple to understand: positions, rules especially, etc...
- much more attractive to the impatient mainstream eye.
- much less physical and demanding: injuries, etc...and the rugged dimension of the style, most guys would rather not get in the mud and dirty.
....etc...etc...etc...

Every retard could enjoy a soccer match and geting a grasp of every rule of the sport within a single match. Rugby is another kind of animal.
 
Every retard could enjoy a soccer match and geting a grasp of every rule of the sport within a single match. Rugby is another kind of animal.

well I'm pretty sure a lot of retards understand Rugby too. Just look at this forum, it's full of Rugby fans !
 
football is always going to be more popular because football is just full of money thats all that the football players for. while with rugby its different cause what halfpenny gets a year which is about £200,000 > i think and that is how much wayne rooney gets a week football to me is a joke and the world must be too if its the 'best' sport ever
 
It's not money that means football will always be top dog. Many reasons have been listed, but the biggest one is it's the most aesthetically pleasing and is a sport primarily based on skill.

Skill will always triumph over bish bash collision games...Zidane, Ronaldo, Messi, Ronaldinho...skills pay the bills. Running into folk is stuff from the kids playground, it's basic and harbours less interest.
 
It's not money that means football will always be top dog. Many reasons have been listed, but the biggest one is it's the most aesthetically pleasing and is a sport primarily based on skill.

Skill will always triumph over bish bash collision games...Zidane, Ronaldo, Messi, Ronaldinho...skills pay the bills. Running into folk is stuff from the kids playground, it's basic and harbours less interest.

OMG! You're talking like a football supporter. So for you, no skill in rugby??!

Quade Cooper isn't skillful?? Carlos Spencer isn't skillful?? Dan Carter isn't skillful?? Jesus Christ!
 
It's not money that means football will always be top dog. Many reasons have been listed, but the biggest one is it's the most aesthetically pleasing and is a sport primarily based on skill.

Skill will always triumph over bish bash collision games...Zidane, Ronaldo, Messi, Ronaldinho...skills pay the bills. Running into folk is stuff from the kids playground, it's basic and harbours less interest.

I see what you're saying but I don't think it's true. Basketball is by faaaaaaaaaar the sport that demands the most technical command and skill out of all US sports, and the most popular sports are fkn BASEBALL first, and then their rugby (American football).

And football may be aesthetically pleasing but I don't think we can say it's the skill per se involved that makes ppl marvel at it. And it's not even a great spectacle. If you take Rugby, there's a TON more action for example, so the aesthetic thing if we look at it from a purely entertainment perspective Rugby has a lot more going on than a bunch of guys on a wide field jogging for 88min with the odd acceleration and then an accumulated grand total of 2min of genuine excitement.

No, people just like it because it's simple to understand, by far the most basic and simple concept in team sports.
Is it a coincidence that: fact 1 - football is by far the most simple team sport; fact 2 - football is by far the most popular sport in the world ?

Not the only reason, but a big one alright.
 

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