How about independent refs during super 15 matches????!!!!!

[blue b]

I've only watched the Bulls game, and that ruined my whole weekend of sport, and part of it is not because of the result, but of (in my opinion) the blatant inconsistancy of the ref. Not missing one high tackle of the Bulls, but ignoring high tackles made by the highlanders! The Highlanders were literally on their knees in the ruck and mauls, stealing almost every ball, and the last straw was Spies holding on to the ball, come-on!!! Can't we have refs from the north in super rugby? Don't get me wrong the Bulls got away with it against the Brumbies in Pretoria the other day, but still....Am I the only one feeling this way?:angry:

 

[TNT88]

Thank God, it's been an entire month since we've had one of these threads. I was starting to get worried...

To answer your question, I say leave it up to the players. Would they rather Craig Joubert or some 2nd rate NH ref in the name of "independency"?

If they want the latter, go ahead. If not, people should shut up about this business and get on with their life. It's a non issue. The same people will still make threads on TRF about refs if we did have NH guys. "Look, this ref has a saffer grandfather, don't put him on a Stormers game, when will we have independent refs". "Oh look, this English ref has 1/84th moari blood, no wonder he gave the Crusaders a scrum penalty, this is outrageous the IRB should do something" ect...

 

[blue b]

I've stopped watching cricket after Hansie and the whole match fixing story, rugby is not on a pedestal, and like I,ve said, this is my opinion. And yes, I would rather watch a game were a so called 2nd rate NH( can't wait to hear from my 2nd rate NH friends) ref is making mistakes, than a 1st class bias ref!! If people agree,good. If not, perhaps they should eat their dinner and go to bed.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

....why are NH refs second rate?

 

[TRF_Cymro]

Awwwhhh here goes.

 

[Peat]

I've stopped watching cricket after Hansie and the whole match fixing story, rugby is not on a pedestal, and like I,ve said, this is my opinion. And yes, I would rather watch a game were a so called 2nd rate NH( can't wait to hear from my 2nd rate NH friends) ref is making mistakes, than a 1st class bias ref!! If people agree,good. If not, perhaps they should eat their dinner and go to bed.

Now I know you're making things up.

You don't have friends.

 

[TNT88]

....why are NH refs second rate?

Sorry, what I mean is that I doubt we could afford to fly the entire NH top referee pannel to SH for the s15. So we'd be settling for your touch judges and lesser experienced refs.

than a 1st class bias ref!!

Here's the problem with your argument. You are assuming something that's not true. Ever refereed before? You should get involved to see how common and weak these accusations really are.

And like I say, we could make all the changes people like this want. And I 1000% guarantee they will still complain. These threads will be just as common as ever with even more obscure objections to the referee setup.

 

[TRF_heineken]

Blue b... while I'd like to see more Bulls fans on this forum, I'd like it if they had more braincells when making posts...

IMHO the ref wasn't bad at all in our game vs the Highlanders.

And to answer your question, I would rather have a good ref than a neutral one... Even in my Law books they keep on telling me there is no such thing as a totally neutral unbiased judge... It's a Person and his job is to make judgements with what is in front of him. The ref in the Bulls/Highlanders game blew with what happened in front of him, and while I didn't like his manner in not blowing the highlanders up at ruck time when they didn't roll away, the one or 2 times we did it, he also didn't blew it.

If you are just here to ***** and moan about our team losing, go suck on a dummy and call your mommy/sister/granny/bf... We win some, we lose some.

 

[Teh Mite]

....why are NH refs second rate?

Does that really need an answer?

 

[nickdnz]

Harsh.

There are sometimes instances when I think a referee HAS to be bias, but it's almost always when that referee is not calling the game the way of my team. I did a study on this for Psychology not so long ago. Basically the reason I think this is called confirmation bias. I watch a Hurricanes game and if the Hurricanes get penalised I will start to question if it was fair. I can quote from the rules two reasons why what my team did was legal. When the opposition does the same, I can quote two reasons why it was illegal. In other words, I'll either justify or dismiss my teams faults automatically, while I'll look for the oppositions faults and draw the conclusion that they're cheating more than my team, and therefore the referee is bias.

In my opinion there is inconsistancy and poor refereeing on a regular basis in Super Rugby, but it's not done by an intentional bias. These referees earn big salaries. I don't think they'd risk it by intentionally favouring one team, at least not in the professional era.

....why are NH refs second rate?

Does that really need an answer?

In fairness, I knew what he meant. It's not that NH referees are all second rate, it's just that the Super 14 would get the second tier of NH referees, as the first tier is used by NH competitions.

 

[welshglory]

....why are NH refs second rate?

As Teh mite said... does that really need an answer. But in all honesty there are very few good NH refs; Nigel Owens, Romaine Poite, Allaine Rolland (very debatable), Wayne Barnes (very debatable)

 

[TRF_heineken]

As Teh mite said... does that really need an answer. But in all honesty there are very few good NH refs; Nigel Owens, Romaine Poite, Allaine Rolland (very debatable), Wayne Barnes (very debatable)

Lol, Maybe to NH members yes... I know in Samoa they have a crucifix waiting for him...

 

[TRF_Cymro]

Ye and in Wales we have the pitch forks and women of Rebecca ready for him ...
But we don't want to go into that storm do we.

 

[blue b]

heineken, I,m new to this forum, and thank you for letting me feel right at home here. Are you still a law student? wow!!!, it just seems that you have to mention it every time you make a quote here. So rather quote the "Jones and Buckle' or an Interesting law report, I'll might just be able to help. Hey guys, we are all grown-ups(I hope). Lets not insult one another. Huh?

 

[TNT88]

Sounds good. Also note that grown adults don't wildly throw around accusations of corruption or fraud against other adults without a good body of evidence.

Welcome to the forum though, can't wait for the spring tests and quad nations. Always good to have more SH'ers on here.

 

[Cave Dweller]

I've only watched the Bulls game, and that ruined my whole weekend of sport, and part of it is not because of the result, but of (in my opinion) the blatant inconsistancy of the ref. Not missing one high tackle of the Bulls, but ignoring high tackles made by the highlanders! The Highlanders were literally on their knees in the ruck and mauls, stealing almost every ball, and the last straw was Spies holding on to the ball, come-on!!! Can't we have refs from the north in super rugby? Don't get me wrong the Bulls got away with it against the Brumbies in Pretoria the other day, but still....Am I the only one feeling this way?:angry:

Nothing wrong with the current refs. We always tend to complain when ones team is losing. To add most off the commentators are wrong and do not know the laws.

 

[Larksea]

I never complained about refs as much as I do now when we had independent refs, but it's a combination of local refs and the lack of clarity around rules and consistency between refs - I think right now the officiating is the worst it's ever been in my memory.

 

[Teh Mite]

There's a simple Flow chart to describe all referees

Start
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Is He a Referee? - > No - > Why the hell are you using this flow chart?
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Yes
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Is from the NH? - > No - > He's inept and Spineless
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Yes
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Is French? - > No - > He's an arrogant (and somewhat biased) moron
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Yes
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He's still arrogant and somewhat inept, but in his own unique way.

 

[Cave Dweller]

I never complained about refs as much as I do now when we had independent refs, but it's a combination of local refs and the lack of clarity around rules and consistency between refs - I think right now the officiating is the worst it's ever been in my memory.

Actually no. 99 Percent of the complaints in the papers was wrong. It is the public not knowing the laws but that does not make the refereeing bad but it brings out the fact that the rugby public are struggling with all the laws. Point out incidents about bad refereeing and we can have a look if the ref was right or wrong.

 

[Larksea]

Nothing wrong with the current refs. We always tend to complain when ones team is losing. To add most off the commentators are wrong and do not know the laws.

Funny you say that,

The way the game is being ruled now the commentators don't know the laws but that's not the problem, the fans don't know the laws, neither do the players and that is a problem.

What's ok one week is not the next, the scrums and breakdowns and even Mauls are a black hole where anything could happen

I love rugby, but I look at league now and I can watch it and the vast majority of the time games the refs are not a factor, right now Rugby Union seems to be totally dominated by the refs and what they decide to see or ignore and which direction they point their arm.