Heineken Champions Cup - Rd 4

[Reiser99]

So if Toulouse forfeit that's 28-0 win to Cardiff.

So that would make the table look like this

7. Toulouse - 7 points -4 points difference
8. Cardiff - 7 points (As they would have a worse aggregate points between themselves and Toulouse)
9. Wasps - 6 points
10. Castres - 3 points -11 points difference
11. Stade Francais - 2 points -38 points difference
12. Scarlets - 2 points -63 points difference

So for Toulouse to miss out these are the options that could happen.

Wasps - Win of any kind against Munster or losing BP because Wasps have a better head to head against Toulouse.
Castres - BP win against Quins or 4-point win and win by a margin of 8 points.
Stade Francais - BP win against Connacht and win by a margin of 35 points (Unlikely)
Scarlets - BP win against Bristol and win by a margin of 60 points (It ain't happening)

Tbh if I were a Toulouse fan I'd be worried, but not too worried. I don't see Stade or Scarlets overtaking them. Wasps could well struggle to get a LBP, so it's only really if Castres can win.

Edit: Need a Wasps LBP and a Castres win for Toulouse to miss out.

 

[jcahill1]

@munstermuffin any chance you guys would just let Wasps get the bp? Be sound like?

 

[big ginger 8]

Stade might be able to get the win if they have the right ref and scrum. Decent overall team from Connacht but props are very callow.

15. Tiernan O'Halloran (198)

14. Alex Wootton (26)

13. Tom Farrell (68)

12. Sammy Arnold (27)

11. Mack Hansen (8)

10. Jack Carty (170) (C)

9. Caolin Blade (140)

1. Jordan Duggan (20)

2. Shane Delahunt (111)

3. Greg McGrath (1)

4. Oisín Dowling (15)

5. Niall Murray (25)

6. Cian Prendergast (19)

7. Conor Oliver (31)

8. Jarrad Butler (84)

Replacements

16. Dave Heffernan (154)

17. Charlie Ward *

18. Sam Illo *

19. Leva Fifita (4)

20. Paul Boyle (64)

21. Colm Reilly (6)

22. Conor Fitzgerald (44)

23. Diarmuid Kilgallen (5)

 

[Goodey]

Didn't realise Stade's points difference was that bad, we can rule them out I guess

Wasps could also knock Toulouse out with 4 tries regardless of result

 

[Reiser99]

@munstermuffin any chance you guys would just let Wasps get the bp? Be sound like?

Imagine if they are like 40 points up and wasps have 2 tries they easily could.

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

I don't get why Cardiff would be ahead of Toulouse?
Cardiff are on -61

~The rules say
(i) the best aggregate points difference from the pool stage

So the pool stage not between the two games

 

[Reiser99]

I don't get why Cardiff would be ahead of Toulouse?
Cardiff are on -61

~The rules say
(i) the best aggregate points difference from the pool stage

So the pool stage not between the two games

In the event of a tie between two or more teams, the following tie-breakers are used, as directed by EPCR:

1. Where teams have played each other
   
   1. The club with the greater number of competition points from only matches involving tied teams.
   2. If equal, the club with the best aggregate points difference from those matches.
   3. If equal, the club that scored the most tries in those matches.
2. Where teams remain tied and/or have not played each other in the competition (i.e. are from different pools)
   1. The club with the best aggregate points difference from the pool stage.
   2. If equal, the club that scored the most tries in the pool stage.
   3. If equal, the club with the fewest players suspended in the pool stage.
   4. If equal, the drawing of lots will determine a club's ranking.

My bad I miscalculated. Toulouse have a +4 aggregate and Cardiff would have a - 4 aggregate between the two teams. I read as 29-7 for some reason. So yeah Cardiff would be behind Toulouse. Now I definitely think they will still scrape the knockouts.

 

[Which Tyler]

15. Hugo Keenan (37)

14. Jordan Larmour (68)

13. Garry Ringrose (93)

12. Robbie Henshaw (59)

11. Jimmy O'Brien (40)

10. Johnny Sexton CAPTAIN (177)

9. Luke McGrath (159)


1. Andrew Porter (84)

2. Rónan Kelleher (32)

3. Michael Ala'alatoa (8)

4. Ross Molony (124)

5. Josh Murphy (51)

6. Caelan Doris (46)

7. Josh van der Flier (105)

8. Jack Conan (109)


Replacements:


16. Dan Sheehan (20)

17. Cian Healy (240)

18. Vakh Abdaladze (15)

19. Ryan Baird (35)

20. Max Deegan (73)

21. Jamison Gibson-Park (108)

22. Ross Byrne (113)

23. Ciarán Frawley (44)

I don't like this thread

 

[munstermuffin]

@munstermuffin any chance you guys would just let Wasps get the bp? Be sound like?

Oh no sure we need huge win ourselves for attempt at top 2 seed.

Have feeling we in for a great calculations weekend and we have bonus of being Sunday at 3.15

 

[Teddington Logic]

If Cardiff go through then I think it is just reward for moving mountains to put a team out in their first 2 fixtures

 

[Leonormous Boozer]

15. Hugo Keenan (37)

14. Jordan Larmour (68)

13. Garry Ringrose (93)

12. Robbie Henshaw (59)

11. Jimmy O'Brien (40)

10. Johnny Sexton CAPTAIN (177)

9. Luke McGrath (159)


1. Andrew Porter (84)

2. Rónan Kelleher (32)

3. Michael Ala'alatoa (8)

4. Ross Molony (124)

5. Josh Murphy (51)

6. Caelan Doris (46)

7. Josh van der Flier (105)

8. Jack Conan (109)


Replacements:


16. Dan Sheehan (20)

17. Cian Healy (240)

18. Vakh Abdaladze (15)

19. Ryan Baird (35)

20. Max Deegan (73)

21. Jamison Gibson-Park (108)

22. Ross Byrne (113)

23. Ciarán Frawley (44)

Deegan back in a euro squad is great to see.

 

[big ginger 8]

Deegan back in a euro squad is great to see.

He came off the bench last week...

 

[will311293]

Wasps team line up.

No mention of Fifita, Barbeary and T Willis sadly. Also no Alo, JTA, Frost, Gopps but still a strong team. Millar Mills will be expected to go a fair distance but Scholtz defo the better scrumamger.

 

[Leonormous Boozer]

He came off the bench last week...

Didn't see that tho

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

Tigers game is off so we will finish top 2 regardless

 

[Goodey]

I had tickets to this one too. Dire.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Literally starting a global pandemic just so you can qualify for the Heineken Cup knockouts,
Tigers shame really does know no bounds

 

[Leonormous Boozer]

Literally starting a global pandemic just so you can qualify for the Heineken Cup knockouts,
Tigers shame really does know no bounds

I've said it from the start this whole thing is a conspiracy against Leinster.

Irish Rugby - The Party Years

Joey should have stayed at 15 for Leinster... I know we needed a 10 but that's when he looked at his best and avoided injuries best.

www.therugbyforum.com

 

[TRF_Olyy]

I've said it from the start this whole thing is a conspiracy against Leinster.

 

[Groundhog]

Knock out an English side if we win, knock out a Welsh side if we lose. Win win baby, gonna start my victory lap now.