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I got a couple of Air rifles for Rabbit & Possum and a 7mm-08 that I got for Dear/Pig hunting but I work too hard and haven't organized a hunting trip yet. People I've met through air rifle target shooting have bragged about 17HMR, it does sound like fun to shoot.
 
I used to own an Italian Carcano M91/38 bolt-action rifle equipped with a 4x power Hollywood scope.

I loaned to a guy (Lee somebody?) who lived down the road from my Uncle's place in Dallas back in November 1963. The thieving b'stard never gave it back!!!
 
Three shots with a Carcano M91/38 bolt-action rifle in 7 seconds. 2 Hit 1 miss. He should be in the Guinness Book of World Records. The closest anyone ever came to that was 19 seconds and the guy was a top marksman.
 
Spooony said:
Three shots with a Carcano M91/38 bolt-action rifle in 7 seconds. 2 Hit 1 miss. He should be in the Guinness Book of World Records. The closest anyone ever came to that was 19 seconds and the guy was a top marksman.
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Absolute rubbish....Penn showed you can fire off 3 shots in 3.6 seconds in this P & T BS espiode and he's not a trained marine....whats with all the conspiracy theory crankpots we have coming out of the woodwork on here lately. Starts at around the 11:00 minute mark.



Edit: Sorry for the quick and hostile reaction Spoony, we just dealt with a user Cave Dweller who was hijacking threads with all sorts of conspiratorial stuff, and it's something I've never dealt with well in the first place.
 
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I think the difference is 3 shots as fast as you can at nothing compared to three accurate shots at a crowded moving target from an elevated position x distance away

Just saying, not that I have much of an opinion on the JFK shooting
 
Larksea said:
I think the difference is 3 shots as fast as you can at nothing compared to three accurate shots at a crowded moving target from an elevated position x distance away

Just saying, not that I have much of an opinion on the JFK shooting
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Thats a fair point, but Penn also pulls this off in 3.6 seconds untrained, Oswald would have had up to 8 seconds possibly and was a trained marine, and the moving target wasn't exactly speeding away too quickly.

This is the actual footage you can see the first shot is a miss the second one is a rush and he hits buy the neck which goes through and also hits Governor Connally, takes his time on the third and assasinates Kennedy, the 2nd shooter theory is also based on the false premise of the seating positions within the car.

 
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Little Guy said:
Absolute rubbish....Penn showed you can fire off 3 shots in 3.6 seconds in this P & T BS espiode and he's not a trained marine....whats with all the conspiracy theory crankpots we have coming out of the woodwork on here lately. Starts at around the 11:00 minute mark.



Edit: Sorry for the quick and hostile reaction Spoony, we just dealt with a user Cave Dweller who was hijacking threads with all sorts of conspiratorial stuff, and it's something I've never dealt with well in the first place.
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While not a conspiracy theorist myself (I believe Oswald shot Kennedy and he acted alone), the demonstration Pen and Teller give is nothing short of rubbish. Pulling the trigger and cocking the action of a rifle with no bullets in it, and simply pointing it between each trigger pull in no way simulates aiming and firing a loaded rifle using a telescopic sight at a moving target about 90 metres away.

Having said that, I have no doubt that Oswald, a former USMC sharpshooter, would have no trouble making the three aimed shots in seven seconds with an accuracy of 67%
 
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smartcooky said:
While not a conspiracy theorist myself (I believe Oswald shot Kennedy and he acted alone), the demonstration Pen and Teller give is nothing short of rubbish. Pulling the trigger and cocking the action of a rifle with no bullets in it, and simply pointing it between each trigger pull in no way simulates aiming and firing a loaded rifle using a telescopic sight at a moving target about 90 metres away.

Having said that, I have no doubt that Oswald, a former USMC sharpshooter, would have no trouble making the three aimed shots in seven seconds with an accuracy of 67%
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The part with the watermelon is much more convincing, I mainly posted it to show that the time of 19 seconds is just as far off base, Oswald could be half way through cooking a bag of popcorn in that time.
 
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Those who served with Oswald have stated that he was a poor shot. FBI says otherwise.
 
And another thread is completely derailed and totally taken off topic, not that I didn't help by feeding the conversation.

Edit: It must be part of the Illmunati, masonic, NWO plot to destroy Rugby and relplace it with Association football!!!!!
 
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Little Guy said:
The part with the watermelon is much more convincing, I mainly posted it to show that the time of 19 seconds is just as far off base, Oswald could be half way through cooking a bag of popcorn in that time.
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I forgot he was classed as a great marksman with scores of 49 out of 50 from 300 yards with a Carbine. So shooting at a head the size of a watermelon from a elevated position at a slow moving target would have been ****. Just one question though why did he need 3 shots? You saw what one shot do to a watermelon.

I do not dispute the facts. Just a few things that I always wanted to ask as I do have some experience with firearms. Especially mounting a scope on a Carcano. You will also find looking at shooting incidents you learn a great deal about firearms, ballistics et etc.
 
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Spooony said:
I forgot he was classed as a great marksman with scores of 49 out of 50 from 300 yards with a Carbine. So shooting at a head the size of a watermelon from a elevated position at a slow moving target would have been ****. Just one question though why did he need 3 shots? You saw what one shot do to a watermelon.
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He missed completely with the first and hit JFK's neck with the 2nd whcih passed right through and hit Governor Connallyand you see what the last one did to Kennedy's head, which is similar to the watermelon.


Can I neg myself?

Edit: Time for some levity positive rep for everyone on the thread!!!!

Edit Edit: Again sorry for my reaction Spooony, Cave Dweller spoiled several threads a few days ago with some Locerbie and 9/11 conspiracy theory stuff. My problem with conspiracies, is more the usual issues...tons of people holding secrets, evil conniving people in power etc. It's good to be skeptical in life it's another thing to go delusional as some often do.
 
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Little Guy said:
He missed completely with the first and hit JFK's neck with the 2nd whcih passed right through and hit Governor Connallyand you see what the last one did to Kennedy's head, which is similar to the watermelon. Can I neg myself? Edit: Time for some levity positive rep for everyone on the thread!!!! Edit Edit: Again sorry for my reaction Spooony, Cave Dweller spoiled several threads a few days ago with some Locerbie and 9/11 conspiracy theory stuff. My problem with conspiracies, is more the usual issues...tons of people holding secrets, evil conniving people in power etc. It's good to be skeptical in life it's another thing to go delusional as some often do.
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Last post over this discussion so forgive me father if I have sinned. So the sniper missed with his first shot which was just over 40 yards with scope and all. Then made the 60 and 88 yard shots with a scope and a faster moving target which was twice as difficult. I know that grass bank and 2nd shooter was nonsense but was he such a great shot? I have visited the sight and the distance was extremely close. Just something to ponder about. I do hope the PW do not belong to any cult or so. He might get ideas.
 
Spooony said:
Last post over this discussion so forgive me father if I have sinned. So the sniper missed with his first shot which was just over 40 yards with scope and all. Then made the 60 and 88 yard shots with a scope and a faster moving target which was twice as difficult. I know that grass bank and 2nd shooter was nonsense but was he such a great shot? I have visited the sight and the distance was extremely close. Just something to ponder about. I do hope the PW do not belong to any cult or so. He might get ideas.
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I've only ever done Crossbow, and regular bow shooting(A guy on my street has a range) I have never operated a firearm and have no interest in doing so, but is it similar in the fact that sometimes you "find" the target better on subsuquent shots? I know I've completely missed or barely hit the target first time round especially after a long absense from practice and than do much better on my 2nd attempt and further attempts even though possibly more difficult.

I think this is bringing the topic back more into its original purpose Spoony, good post.
 
Little Guy said:
I've only ever done Crossbow, and regular bow shooting(A guy on my street has a range) I have never operated a firearm and have no interest in doing so, but is it similar in the fact that sometimes you "find" the target better on subsuquent shots? I know I've completely missed or barely hit the target first time round especially after a long absense from practice and than do much better on my 2nd attempt and further attempts even though possibly more difficult.

I think this is bringing the topic back more into its original purpose Spoony, good post.
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With a rifle on dead rest it is not that difficult. A scope is easy if you fire of 1 shot or have time to set yourself. But if you need to fire in rapid succession a scope could be the problem. You will hit the target easier with the open sights. We fired with a 5.65 R5 assault rifle 300 yards open sights. The target look like the size of a pee. But it was easy as whats in your sights you will hit as the velocity is enormous. It drills its way to the target. The rounds used will also play a part.

Which brings me back to the PW rifle. At 100 yards he is going to struggle with accuracy. 50 will be better. But I believe you need to go buy a lot of different ammo for those CZ's as the rounds plays a big factor in the accuracy. We use to take the old .22 and tested the rounds and then check which gives you the best groupings.
 
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Little Guy said:
And another thread is completely derailed and totally taken off topic, not that I didn't help by feeding the conversation.

Edit: It must be part of the Illmunati, masonic, NWO plot to destroy Rugby and relplace it with Association football!!!!!
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Don't worry Little Guy, at least its still about guns, ammo and hunting

Spooony said:
Last post over this discussion so forgive me father if I have sinned. So the sniper missed with his first shot which was just over 40 yards with scope and all. Then made the 60 and 88 yard shots with a scope and a faster moving target which was twice as difficult. I know that grass bank and 2nd shooter was nonsense but was he such a great shot? I have visited the sight and the distance was extremely close. Just something to ponder about. I do hope the PW do not belong to any cult or so. He might get ideas.
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You forget that LHO was firing from the 6th floor of the Texas School Book Repository, and elevated firing point. He was shooting downwards at a target that was going away from him at 11 mph. Try to visualise it...

Even though the further way target was smaller, it could have been easier shot to make!!

The hardest part about hitting the moving target is allowing for the "lateral" movement. Hitting a moving target that is going directly away from you is no different from hitting a stationary target, because you don't have to track it.

A simple vector analysis will show that the change of angle decreases the number of degrees per second that the shooter has to track as the target moves further away. That's probably why the first one missed, the second one hit but was low, and the third one was the kill shot.
 

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