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France vs Wales

We pick a team full of players with the ability to run good lines and offload, to break the gainline and to dance past defenders with ease, yet choose to ignore this and play a kicking game when we really only have 2 kicking options on the park. It's very annoying. On paper having North, Halfpenny, Hook, Davies and Roberts playing toegther should lead to the explotation of any backline. But it doesn't.

Two positives: Dan Lydiate was immense and Dwayne Peel made an enormous impact when he came on.
 
Serious questions have to be asked of Wales and who lies in the backroom staff.

For the 3rd game we have seen Roberts-Davies combo fail to work. Both play well with their regional sides, but for Wales they don't work. Both players play with creative centre's but Wales instead choose to pick the two similar players together that does not work. Roberts-Davies does not work, Roberts-Hook does.

Next problem lies in creativity. Wales have shown little or no back moves. Critics blamed Stephen Jones but really Hook has faired no better. Howley must be looked at, he is simply not doing his job.

Mike Phillips showed tonight his slowness to hit rucks and his distribution showed tonight. We had Tavis Knoyle on the bench for a few games and we never saw him. How shocking was that. This brings me onto my next point.

Wales depth. This 6 Nations we have found two able props to step into the boots of Jenkins and Jones. What I do not like is Gatland poor use of players on the bench. He failed to use his subs against England and against Ireland. Dwayne Peel / Tavis Knoyle are clearly better options that Phillips. John Yapp despite doing sort of ok, really is someone we should not be looking at, ok he has been with Wales on grandslam occasions but his scrummaging is better than before but not good enough, his tight play is shocking. In the backs, Wales failure to find another full back means that Lee Byrne knows he won't get displaced bar from injury. Suggest that Halfpenny gets looked at there come the summer games.

Ah await my blog entry tomorrow to see the state of Welsh rugby from my view.
 
Martyn Thomas has looked good since coming back from injury- (And before it, come to mention it) I'd give him a go against the Baa Baas in June, because, as said, we really do need another specalist Fullback. Davies/Hook would be a better combination than Roberts/Hook if you ask me- Davies is not only quicker, but has a lovely step and better hands, even if Roberts is a tad too useful to be chucked out.
 
Martyn Thomas has looked good since coming back from injury- (And before it, come to mention it) I'd give him a go against the Baa Baas in June, because, as said, we really do need another specalist Fullback. Davies/Hook would be a better combination than Roberts/Hook if you ask me- Davies is not only quicker, but has a lovely step and better hands, even if Roberts is a tad too useful to be chucked out.

On what basis can you drop Roberts? I can tell you none. Roberts takes Wales forwards and over the gainline, Davies did neither this 6 Nations. Previous showing has shown Hook-Roberts works,
 
Yesterday I saw a great match of France ! The motivation was here, the fight was here, the game was here and the supporters were here.

But I didn't recognize the Wales' team yesterday (Lee Byrn, Jamie Roberts...)

Anyway this six nations was very crazy ! I thought England win the Grand Slam because Ireland was worse this year but yesterday Ireland was impressive !!!!
 
Dissapointing game from Wales. Loosing Warburton was a massive blow, as soon as he went off France simply destroyed us at the breakdown. Pitty, as Warburton started on fire. I've said it before and I'll say it again, why the hell is gatland picking two 6's on the bench? Surely the better option would be having Turnbull who can cover 6 and 7, and a propper second-row on the bench. It's nigh on impossible to compete nowerdays without a propper openside on the field, and we were shown that yesterday. Lydiate and Ryan Jones had great games yesterday, but neither are 7's.

As Cymro has said, our backline is a mess. We created one or two opportunities yesterday, and Halfpenny was very unlucky not to score, but considering the personell in the backline, we should be creating a hell of alot more. Roberts again showed what he's capable of when he's given the bloody ball, rampaging through the French defense, yet we saw him only 2 or 3 times. Jon Davies seems to be really struggling to make the step up to international rugby, and that's a big pitty because I had high hopes for him. We are officially struggling big time at 10 now. Bar one or two good clearances, Hook struggled. His charged down kick was unforgivable, even if his yellow card was unfair. He hasn't got the centres into the game atall during his time at 10, whearas Stephen Jones brought Roberts into the game much more after he came on. Phillips was poor again, but the forwards really need to protect the ball much better ruck time, because the French forwards were disrupting our ball left, right and centre.

When was the last time that we got the wings into the game more than once? We managed to free Halfpenny once, it was just a last ditch anckle tap that brought him down. But that was the only time we got our wingers into space. North showed how dangerous he can be with that beautiful counter attack from his own 22, but again we couldn't get him into the game otherwise.

We need some fresh ideas, and for me that means replacing Howley as attack coach. My personal ideal would be Nigel Davies, he's a prooven attack coach maestro, but I doubt he'd leave his role at the Scarlets. Mark Jones seems to be doing good things at the Scarlets aswell, but needs time to develop as a coach at regional level. How about Lyn Jones? He's always shown himself to be a clever coach prepared to try new things, he'd also jump at the opportunity to coach at a high level again.

Overall, very dissapointed that we finished 4th again for the third year in a row. The opportunity was there to finish 2nd, even if we lost to France, or even 3rd if we hadn't lost so heavily. Suppose it doesn't really matter if we finished 2nd or 4th. Can't believe we just kicked the ball out at the end instead of going for a try aswell! I think we were lucky this year that all of Scotland, Italy and Ireland didn't turn up when we played them, because we could have ended alot lower in the table if they had. There's been little sign of improvement since the Autumn, and I'm very worried about that. Ireland showed against England that it's possible to turn things around and 'click', but when is that going to happen for us? I believe the potential is there, but I'm not sure we'll see it before or during the WC!
 
France were deserved winners, Wales didn't turn up. Beating France by 27 points was never going to happen, it's harder enough winning in France. Disaster day really, finishing fourth is a real dissappointment.
 
Just seen that bombed try where Roberts breaks and passes to John Davies, who fails to pass the ball back to Roberts so that Roberts heads under the posts. Davies has done this a fair few times he fails to offload and costs Wales yesterday with that simple mistake. Ok might not have changed the result but 7 points there would have made the difference where we would have ended up in the table.

Got to say Trin-Duc tap tackle was sick, great effort that.
 
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Jon Davies has been a massive disapointment this 6 nations. He was expected to do well considering his Scarlets form in the Magners and HC, but barely did anything atall. Once kick through for Shane's second try against Scotland is about all he did! His fault or the management?
 
Jon Davies has been a massive disapointment this 6 nations. He was expected to do well considering his Scarlets form in the Magners and HC, but barely did anything atall. Once kick through for Shane's second try against Scotland is about all he did! His fault or the management?

Both, I think Jiffy gives a good explanation during the Scrum V show. If you get a chance Dull watch it and see if you agree.
 
10. Jones (Priestland?)
11. Shane
12. Roberts (back to where he should)
13. Hook (creative centre to complement Roberts destructiveness)
14. Halfpenny
15. Byrne

21. Priestland (Jones?)
22. North

Is what I'd go with, though there's no centre coverage on the bench - hard to drop any of Halfpenny Shane or North, and I'd really want Priestland in there

Dodgy risking Priestland considering how little gametime he's had for Wales but really Gatlands had noone to blame but himself, he should've been used in the autumn or this six nations, in my opinion
 
10. Jones (Priestland?)
11. Shane
12. Roberts (back to where he should)
13. Hook (creative centre to complement Roberts destructiveness)
14. Halfpenny
15. Byrne

21. Priestland (Jones?)
22. North

Is what I'd go with, though there's no centre coverage on the bench - or on the pitch - hmmmm

Dodgy risking Priestland considering how little gametime he's had for Wales but really Gatlands had noone to blame but himself, he should've been used in the autumn or this six nations, in my opinion

Jiffy suggested these two:

10 Nicky Robinson
11 Lee Halfpenny
12 Jaime Roberts
13 Jonathan Davies
14 George North
15 Lee Byrne


10 Nicky Robinson
11 Lee Halfpenny
12 Jaime Roberts
13 James Hook
14 George North
15 Lee Byrne
 
Is Robinson on the Wales radar though? I suppose moving to Wasps will get him noticed by Shaun Edwards more, but too late for the WC and at 30ish will he be too old for afterwards?
He's looked pretty good for Gloucester recently, though - could be good as an outside shout
 
Is Robinson on the Wales radar though? I suppose moving to Wasps will get him noticed by Shaun Edwards more, but too late for the WC and at 30ish will he be too old for afterwards?
He's looked pretty good for Gloucester recently, though - could be good as an outside shout

They have looked at him, his goal kicking is to inconsistent at times, but then either Hook or Halfpenny could kick. Also he has suspect defence. Personally id have him over Preistland but then Preistland was not given a chance this 6 Nations.
 
yes i watched scrum v and agreed with what jiffy said, didn't turn out what most expected him to be. correct me if i'm wrong but i believe the end of the question on scrum v was something like should we even mention the henson word? now i didn't hear jiffy or any of the other three mention henson but i for one am confident that if he actually gets 2 or 3 full games under his belt at 10 or 12 and manages to get to the world cup he could sort out the welsh backline.

just look at how the backs operated in 2008 and you will see he is definitely a class act it is important for him to put injuries behind him because i believe he can save the welsh backs and give us the attacking prowess we crave.
 
Catching up with Scrum V now, cant argue with what the panel has to say. Not sure how Robinson's playing, but we need some sort of spark (saying that he never took his chances at 10 for Wales). On the 10 note, he's young and very raw atm, but i can't wait to see Mathew Morgan playing a bit more with the Ospreys. He certainly looks very different for a welsh 10, lots and lots of flair. Anyone reckon he'll go to the World cup to "learn the ropes"???
Shame that Shane is "retiring" after the world cup, he's such a huge loss once he finishes. North and Halfpenny look set to be the future wing pairing, and do have potential to be great, but as we all know (and it was mentioned on scrum V) shane's influence in the middle of the pitch is huge, and he's a creator as well as a finisher. We get a "world class" player only once every generation, and i argue that he's without a doubt my generations equivalent to what Gareth Edwards was to the 70's (bold statement to make but i guess time will tell). Ah well, the only way is up i guess, bring on the world cup :D :D
 
Both, I think Jiffy gives a good explanation during the Scrum V show. If you get a chance Dull watch it and see if you agree.

I'll watch scrum v tomorrow when it's available on the iplayer. Missed it tonight because I was watching Black Swan with dinner, odd film....

@ TVH11. I can't see Matthew Morgan going to the WC. He's certainly a talent, but he simply has to be tested at regional level first. Only then can we get a true understanding of his complete game. I'm still worried about how he'll cope physically, and seeing him play for the U20's has raised some questions about his positioning in defense. Doesn't seem to have any problems with controlling a game or shredding defenses to pieces though!!!
 
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Could some Welsh supporters answer this for me.


I have just done some checking.

So far in Ospreys season they have played 17 Rounds of Magners League and 6 rounds of Heineken Cup

James Hook has the following games stats ML in green, HC in Blue

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Did not play.... 13 - 0... total 13
Subs bench...... 2 - 0... total 2 (sub on Centre for one match, Wing for the other)
Centre............ 2 - 6... total 8
Fly Half............0 - 0... total 0
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The first and last lines would be the ones that would worry me if I was a Welsh supporter. He has missed a lot of matches, and has not played a single game for his club at Fly-Half!!! Now far be it for me to second guess Warren Gatland's team selections, but can you imagine Dan Carter not playing two thirds of the Super 15, then playing what games he does play at centre or right wing?

So without him playing any games at 10 for his club (Dan Biggar was picked at 10 for every match except 2, where Dai Flanagan and Matthew Morgan got the nod), how does he get to be selected at the pivotal role of Fly Half for Wales? Playing at 10 is not something you can just take up and leave. Its a vital position, and you need to play it week in and week out.
 
Could some Welsh supporters answer this for me.


I have just done some checking.

So far in Ospreys season they have played 17 Rounds of Magners League and 6 rounds of Heineken Cup

James Hook has the following games stats ML in green, HC in Blue

[textarea]
Did not play.... 13 - 0... total 13
Subs bench...... 2 - 0... total 2 (sub on Centre for one match, Wing for the other)
Centre............ 2 - 6... total 8
Fly Half............0 - 0... total 0
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The first and last lines would be the ones that would worry me if I was a Welsh supporter. He has missed a lot of matches, and has not played a single game for his club at Fly-Half!!! Now far be it for me to second guess Warren Gatland's team selections, but can you imagine Dan Carter not playing two thirds of the Super 15, then playing what games he does play at centre or right wing?

So without him playing any games at 10 for his club (Dan Biggar was picked at 10 for every match except 2, where Dai Flanagan and Matthew Morgan got the nod), how does he get to be selected at the pivotal role of Fly Half for Wales? Playing at 10 is not something you can just take up and leave. Its a vital position, and you need to play it week in and week out.

Its a question I've eluded to in the past. He surely cannot be considered because of the lack of time he has played there, this nonsense of him opening up and putting through centre's at 10 is completely fictional as it has been shown in his time in the 10 shirt. He needs regular game time at 10, as you said Cooky people would be going mad if Carter had not been playing so why should we be any different.

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Revealed: Shaun Edwards suspended over Irish folk song bust-up

Want to point out that my source says that it was not over a folk song that the bust up occurred over. More of what was said after the Irish game.
 
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We've managed to back ourselves into a corner regarding the 10 shirt in Wales. Stephen Jones has been great for Welsh rugby, and during '09 was probably playing the best rugby of his career, but his performances have been slowly getting worse, and it got to a stage where panic seemed to set in somewhat. Is he the man to wear the influential 10 jersey in the WC, considering he wasn't really bringing all that much to the table? Even if he is, we had to find a real replacement in case of injury etc. Biggar was seen as this replacement, but he seemed to fall to pieces and was simply unable to make the step up necessary. Everyone, including Gatland and myself remembered back to '08 when James Hook was being talked about as the next Dan Carter and probably got a little carried away. I still feel that Hook would probably be our best option long term, if he was playing regularily for the Ospreys. But is there any chance of that happening between now and the WC, especially considering he's off to France next year? There'd be no benefits of the Ospreys playing him there, so the answer to that is an almost certain no! Do we then continue playing Hook at 10 during the WC warm up games and hope he finds his feet by the WC? Unless Steve Jones finds his top form again, we're suddenly in a bloody mess!!!!

The options are: Stephen Jones, James Hook, Dan Biggar, Rhys Priestland, Nicky Robinson, Ceri Sweeney, Matthew Morgan.

Dan Biggar isn't ready, and might never be. Mattew Morgan is out of the question imo, doesn't matter if everyone dreams of him getting chucked in at the deep end and setting the world on fire, it won't happen! Cari Sweeney has never been up to it. That leaves Steve Jones, Hook, Priestland and Robinson. Out of those four, Priestland and Robinson haven't been given any opportunities recently, so it would be a gamble using them, but they probably offer the best all round game of them all (bar kicking at goal, but Hook and Halfpenny can do that). I think Jones will probably be our 10 in the WC. He may not offer much attacking threat, but as long as he can sort out his kicking from hand he's the best option. For me it's quite obvious now that he's not the reason we're not creating, it's stemming from the ruck / scrum half, and the lack of attacking gameplan outside him. It seems that Hook is needed more at centre, sorry James, but you're probably gonna have to move again!
 
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