Fear of Rucks

[Gay-Guy]

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<div class='quotemain'> My advise didn't seem to help, but atleast my avatar did [/b]

Lol...I can't use a stick on them...I would get arrested!
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Yeah, you'd get alot of replies like: "This is madness!" [/b][/quote]

Yep...I can just see the police saying to my coaching staff "Spartans, lay down your weapons"

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And if you're really lucky they'll be standing in front of a big hole (aka Paris Hilton's ass) and say "Madness?!... This is not madness! THIS IS SPARTA!!!"



I'll forgive you for not actually watching the movie lol

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lol true true you win.....ha! 300 is this generations Shakespeare....

 

[crookedson]

After you have done rucking drills have a scrimmage and scream at the fowrards to get into rucks. If they dont listen make them run up a steep hill 25 times. Trust me, getting punished will drill things into your teams heads. Theirs something about your heart feeling like its gonna rip through your chest that makes your brain say 'hmmm I can either lie over a ruck and pretend im doing something or run up a steep hill 25 times'. Guess which one theyll pick? This was happening when I was twelve although we had no problems with rucks and we got punished for minor things. You could make them run up a hill each time they turnover the ball *shrugs shoulders* Once we had to run up the hill 50 times because one of the players was slacking behind when we were running up the hills.

 

[allblacksfreak]

Oh, the rucking problem of mini rugby... Something that many coach hates so dearly.. I've been coaching colts (u-20) for a year now, but I've also been coaching the wee ones once in a while to cover for other coaches...

What I noticed is that, kids that age all look for glory, by saying that I mean they want to score tries and get congratulated! Somehow, they realised that it's a slim chance to score tries if they're stuck in a ruck...

How to solve it?

Punishments like what crookedi said up there works, but let's make that as our last resort. You don't want JUST the forwards in a ruck, you want anyone closest to be able to ruck as well!

I prefer to just go on and have a scrimmage, every time a ruck forms, YOU get in there and try to win the ball, talk to them about how they should support in the ruck... Trust me, a lil talk to them will actually go a long way! maybe your kids don't listen, then start punishing them by making em run!!!

 

[Gay-Guy]

Maybe to get them motivated I could make some T-Shirts for them with slogans like:



I LOVE RUCKING

I WANT TO RUCK

LETS RUCK

SHALL WE RUCK

YOU WANNA RUCK

WHO'S RUCKING YOU NOW

I'M GOOD AT RUCKING

I LOVE BEING RUCKED

THAT WAS THE BEST RUCK EVER

I'M ALWAYS LOOKING FOR MY NEXT RUCK

 

[allblacksfreak]

Maybe to get them motivated I could make some T-Shirts for them with slogans like:



I LOVE RUCKING

I WANT TO RUCK

LETS RUCK

SHALL WE RUCK

YOU WANNA RUCK

WHO'S RUCKING YOU NOW

I'M GOOD AT RUCKING

I LOVE BEING RUCKED

THAT WAS THE BEST RUCK EVER

I'M ALWAYS LOOKING FOR MY NEXT RUCK
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You forgot "I'M A MOTHERRUCKER"

 

[Canadian_Rugger]

or "RUCK AND MAKE ME SCRUM" :cheers:

 

[peppers07]

After you have done rucking drills have a scrimmage and scream at the fowrards to get into rucks. If they dont listen make them run up a steep hill 25 times. Trust me, getting punished will drill things into your teams heads. Theirs something about your heart feeling like its gonna rip through your chest that makes your brain say 'hmmm I can either lie over a ruck and pretend im doing something or run up a steep hill 25 times'. Guess which one theyll pick? This was happening when I was twelve although we had no problems with rucks and we got punished for minor things. You could make them run up a hill each time they turnover the ball *shrugs shoulders* Once we had to run up the hill 50 times because one of the players was slacking behind when we were running up the hills.
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Then it wouldnt be fun any more and youd be left with only about ten super commited kids who hadnt quit not enough for a team Now a days under age rugby training is nothing like that
(This would be a good way of filtering out the **** players dfrom my rugby club though)

 

[snooch]

Get them to do some "self-defence" drills, where they learn how to punch a tacklebag. Not only will it be good for their fitness, but they'll be fired up afterwards. Just don't overdo it otherwise they'll be dead.

 

[Dmx#1]

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After you have done rucking drills have a scrimmage and scream at the fowrards to get into rucks. If they dont listen make them run up a steep hill 25 times. Trust me, getting punished will drill things into your teams heads. Theirs something about your heart feeling like its gonna rip through your chest that makes your brain say 'hmmm I can either lie over a ruck and pretend im doing something or run up a steep hill 25 times'. Guess which one theyll pick? This was happening when I was twelve although we had no problems with rucks and we got punished for minor things. You could make them run up a hill each time they turnover the ball *shrugs shoulders* Once we had to run up the hill 50 times because one of the players was slacking behind when we were running up the hills.
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Then it wouldnt be fun any more and youd be left with only about ten super commited kids who hadnt quit not enough for a team Now a days under age rugby training is nothing like that
(This would be a good way of filtering out the **** players dfrom my rugby club though) [/b][/quote]

Yeah I remember that use to happen to me when I was about 12-13. You'd think it would turn players away but it didnt really. Only the lazy players with no heart left which I couldnt even count on more than one hand. The rugby players respected the coach and quite a few players actually liked the way the coach trained us even though he was a hard ******* and It payed off too because we won the finals. It also depends on natural ability too though I mean some teams train and try hard and still dont get desired results, while some teams muck around and manage to win games on a regular basis.

 

[Thingimubob]

<div class='quotemain'> I think you touched on a very important point there GG. It seems these kids have been exposed to too much razzle dazzle. The hard grafters don't get much credit from the public in general. Do other teams have this problem as well?

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Lol it is everywhere here in Auckland at this age level! The ones who are fast runners and agile are told they are backs and they just run all day. The ones who are slow are told they are forwards and have to go from ruck to ruck and not stand in the backline. It is the old traditional ABC teaching of rugby but it is flawed as kids all want to be the Caucaunibuca. Even Richie McCaw said he wanted to be John Kirwan when he was young.

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it's everywhere in Auckland? I watched the u13's at my club play a few months ago, and they seemed fine with the whole ruck situation. Our coaches tend to stress the point that everybody has to do their bit. I mean, I play wing, so sprinting down the wing is more my scene that being at the bottom of a ruck, but if I need to I'll dive in. Helps that we (the youth team) train a lot with the senior side, so we're getting used to the physicality of training and playing against bigger players. Maybe some think they're too small to enter the rucks? You could like try and the get the message across that no matter how small you are, if you have the right technique you can easily protect the ball, and even shove their opponents off the ball.

 

[cacamou]

that's true.. i dont think size matters, its more about technique

 

[RxTim]

im a scrummy and I think rucks are one of the funnest parts in the game. somewhat trying to reach over for the ball and then, BOOM! a shoulder right at their face!

 

[Jang]

Rucks are really funny when people try and bridge over and the defender just pulls them into the ground friggin hilarious

 

[Gay-Guy]

im a scrummy and I think rucks are one of the funnest parts in the game. somewhat trying to reach over for the ball and then, BOOM! a shoulder right at their face! [/b]

Haha...yeah it is quite funny when you think about it....yet at the same time quite sore when it happens to you.

 

[Dmx#1]

that's true.. i dont think size matters, its more about technique [/b]

Yeah true, unless the woman has had a lot of large men in her time. If thats the case they actually need a larger male to have a pleasureble experience......

Oh **** my bad your talking about rugby.....

 

[Gay-Guy]

Yes my brother...."rucking" technique is the topic :lol:

 

[danny]

The key to protecting the ball in a ruck situation is to have a good low technique with legs bent to form a solid base. Stay over the ball and "be strong", this sounds obvious but if you can keep these two words as a key to retaining the ball it will help. I recently went on a course taken by John Brain the ex Warriors coach who said that its good practice to tailor a weight training program around the breakdown for backrow forwards in England. He said that it was a point that was discussed with all Premiership coaches before last season as a way of improving Englands chances in the international arena. He was sacked not long after. Good weekend though!

 

[Fa'atau82]

I always enjoyed the contact of the ruck, and at the time you don't really think about it when you dive in. I got a serious split lip in a couple of games because players get too violent, but this was juniors and you do get some stupid tw*ts at 16-18 yrs old.

Rugby is not your usual sport. You know it will hurt, but the key is not to take contact, but dish it out. If you don't understand that concept or don't like pain, quit now and play soccer, or maybe netball or play with some kittens.

My advice is to time your dive into the ruck if you are coming in late, if you are setting up the ruck all you can do is cover yourself as much as possible i.e hands over head etc and you should be ok. You have to keep yourself safe and also make an impact in the ruck.

Just release the ball early and hopefully you won't have been daft enough to isolate yourself with their forwards bundling you.

I used to play in the backrow and also in the backs as i was too fast for a typical forward and we needed pace in the backline. However, i tended to find i got more injuries playing winger and centre than i ever did intentionly in a ruck or maul. These were injuries sustained by spite rather than by mistake. I once got poked in the eye by some arrogant tw*t who decided he wanted to have nails like a girl. He was a 400m runner for england juniors and i was just as fast as him and after i had stopped him doing his usual trick of scoring, he got ****** of and decided to stab my eye out.

I used to get bitten, scratched and that kind of thing as a forward, but you simply give it back to the opponent when you can see it is safe to do so. Rugby is all about giving and giving back. Some players decide to fight fire with fire and get dirty, whilst i never tended to do that stuff as you can give away stupid penalties, it pumped me up that i would give it back to them by using my pace to test their defence. I was occasionally the the 'vocal' captain of the team and i think it is best to lead by example. Any player can kick, punch or bite but not every player can hurt a team by scoring points.

 

[YoungBlackie]

Try bringing in some slow ball options off the back of a ruck show them that it is possible to score lots of trys of a ruck and tell them if there is not any ruck then none of them can score.

mabey peeling off the back of the ruck in pairs

 

[peppers07]

Try bringing in some slow ball options off the back of a ruck show them that it is possible to score lots of trys of a ruck and tell them if there is not any ruck then none of them can score.

mabey peeling off the back of the ruck in pairs
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Lol then the ball would never be passed out :lol: