F1 Racing

[Reiser99]

The problem with that one is how do you resolve it fairly? Don't think you can.

Yep. I reckon the FIA have spent most of the time trying to figure a fair way that saves them face and there isn't one. Whatever their decision someone will be unhappy and I can see this going further into legal battles. Problem is FIA are undermined by their own rules and their own precedent. Unless there is something that says the race director can make up or interpret rules as he sees fit then I don't see how they have a case legally. Even in the rules it only mentions the directors discretion in keeping the safety car out for safety. Not bringing in early to spice up the race.

 

[ncurd]

Decide the result is as it would have been had the rules been followed? Given there would have been 1 lap there is no uncertainty as to what the positions would have been.

That's a separate rule under the protest. If he is allowed to bring in the safety car early but didn't release enough cars but got some racing we don't actually know the result. Essentially you have legal lap with unfair advantages you can't calculate.

You have to prove the SC should of not been bought in.

 

[Reiser99]

That's a separate rule under the protest. If he is allowed to bring in the safety car early but didn't release enough cars but got some racing we don't actually know the result. Essentially you have legal lap with unfair advantages you can't calculate.

You have to prove the SC should of not been bought in.

Yeah. but the rules do prove that. As you said, even if you ignore any cars, it says safety car comes in at the end of the next lap, not the same lap the order was given.

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

That's a separate rule under the protest. If he is allowed to bring in the safety car early but didn't release enough cars but got some racing we don't actually know the result. Essentially you have legal lap with unfair advantages you can't calculate.

You have to prove the SC should of not been bought in.

Would be relatively easy I would have thought as the FIA's own rules specify when it should happen. There is the part about any car but that follows on from a statement saying the message goes to ALL teams. It also specifies it is a requirement and that it must be the LAST lapped car that passes the safety car. The last lapped car had not done that. There really is no legal case to be made to defend it, the rules clearly give no situation in which the SC could have been brought in when it was and it should have finished under SC.

 

[ncurd]

FIA tweeted official result about 10mins ago but still not official throwing out of the first protest.

 

[Reiser99]

One of the other big problems is that the people deciding are not neutral. This situation has been caused by the FIA and they are judging on whether they have made a mistake and how to fix it. That in itself is going to cause issues.

 

[ncurd]

Would be relatively easy I would have thought as the FIA's own rules specify when it should happen. There is the part about any car but that follows on from a statement saying the message goes to ALL teams. It also specifies it is a requirement and that it must be the LAST lapped car that passes the safety car. The last lapped car had not done that. There really is no legal case to be made to defend it, the rules clearly give no situation in which the SC could have been brought in when it was and it should have finished under SC.

I think your willfully interpreting them how you want it to go. Which is fair but this is way grayer than your making out.

 

[ncurd]

Both teams back to stewards for supposed decision sounds like the first protest will have a more complex answer whichever way it went.

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

One of the other big problems is that the people deciding are not neutral. This situation has been caused by the FIA and they are judging on whether they have made a mistake and how to fix it. That in itself is going to cause issues.

It's like police or government internal inquiries. "We have investigated ourselves and found we did nothing wrong". Bit different if Merc do take it to court for some sort of contractual breach though. It won't affect the result but could land the FIA in hot water given how blatantly against their own rules it is. Part of the contract is that the races will be run according to those rules. If they aren't and a director becomes arbitrary, the FIA can be legally liable.

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

I think your willfully interpreting them how you want it to go. Which is fair but this is way grayer than your making out.

I'm not saying it will happen that way, just that by their own rules, the race should have finished under the SC, there does not appear to be any provision that states otherwise. Had it happened earlier in the race that is one thing but we know 100% what the result would have been had the SC had to do 1 more lap.

 

[pagliaccio_euforico]

Ffs they keep delaying it

 

[ncurd]

FIA now deleted post congratulating Max on the win from within the hour (probably some automated thing tied to a database for engagement).

 

[Reiser99]

Ffs they keep delaying it

Probably because someone keeps pointing out what a **** up it is and they have no way to solve it without ******* it up further.

 

[Reiser99]

Lol, so after going back for a verdict, the result is wait again for the verdict...

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

 

[ncurd]

Probably because someone keeps pointing out what a **** up it is and they have no way to solve it without ******* it up further.

Aye this will get appealed regardless. My main question will be if RB win does it mean nothing? But if Mercedes win they are in extremely strong position because its essentially the FIA admitting they ****** up.

I fully expect them to side with RB with Mercedes being given Massi's head on a spike.

 

[Reiser99]

Horner saying Max is champion. So have the FIA found a way to appease Mercedes or is it going to court?

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

Result stands, can't see this being the end of it though. End of the results but not the end of what a complete shitshow it has been by Masi.

 

[ncurd]

Well that's pretty much expected off to CAS we go. Only interesting thing will be the FIA's justification. Probably Massi has the right to make decisions.

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

100% going to court