European Champions Cup 2017/18: Pool 2 - Round 2

[curtbob7]

Gotta question why the tournament has failed to attract a big name sponsor as of yet in all fairness but its still the same bloody competition.

No doubt the Irish would be backing it if Munster and Leinster had won the last few ***les rather than Salarycens dominating it with their 3 away fans touring with the 'ohhh Maro Itooooje' chant.

On another note I think Toulon dominating it alongside Saracens has had a detrimental effect on peoples attitudes. If it had been Tigers and Leinster doing the same it wouldn't have been as bad.

 

[Amiga500]

Gotta question why the tournament has failed to attract a big name sponsor as of yet in all fairness but its still the same bloody competition.

It's not the same competition.

It's now ran at the behest of greedy money grabbing fkers who don't give two flying fks for the supporters or game.

Insisting it runs across two channels in the UK is good for neither sport or support.
Ripping apart nearly 20 years of history to get their grubby little mitts on dirty cash doesn't sit well with many people. Plenty around me aren't anything like as interested.
The organisation is not as smooth, promotion not as slick, and there is now a lingering stench of business rather than sport about the thing.

 

[curtbob7]

It's not the same competition.

It's now ran at the behest of greedy money grabbing fkers who don't give two flying fks for the supporters or game.

Insisting it runs across two channels in the UK is good for neither sport or support.
Ripping apart nearly 20 years of history to get their grubby little mitts on dirty cash doesn't sit well with many people. Plenty around me aren't anything like as interested.
The organisation is not as smooth, promotion not as slick, and there is now a lingering stench of business rather than sport about the thing.

because of Sarries and Toulon.

Its still Europe's Premier Rugby club competition. The soundtrack is also epic (lol)

 

[Amiga500]

because of Sarries and Toulon.

Admittedly, that probably is true. The timing of dominant clubs (and their financial backgrounds) when moving from HEC to CC hasn't helped.

 

[Which Tyler]

In Fairness, the UK TV deals is also only a temporary thing - though one that shouldn't have happened in the first place.

Personally, I don't mind most of the changes, especially once common sense was applied, and every nation gets one participant guaranteed - but the way it was done leaves one hell of a bad taste in the mouth - like blowing Trump after it's been pissed on by Russian prostitutes and rammed May up the arse.
You can all thank me for that mental image later - if you google it, you can probably find a real fake-video of that sequence of events too.

 

[Groundhog]

This might not be the case, and a bit OT but has the coverage for the Challenge Cup seemed worse in the last couple years. Haven't noticed them on the old red button for a while.

 

[munstermuffin]

Why though?
Same tournament, Same teams, Same referees.
The only thing that's changed is behind the scenes every gets a fair share of the revenue.
I think that's more due to the teams with the largest numbers of supporters (Munster Leinster Leicester etc) not being as good as they were.
A Sarries/Clermont final isn't going to bring in the crowds that a Leicester/Leinster is

No I know for fact Irish fans are disillusioned by some of times. Munster fans hated the 8oclock kick off last weekend.
Also just to let you know revenue isn't same as it depends on European qualifiers. For example Italian teams get alot less revenue now which hampers their development. The layout of the whole structure too and the way it was done due to fact English clubs spearheaded it in a move driven by BT was the part that left alot sour.
Also revenue is shared but is down 26% overall as they screwed up when getting rid of Heineken as primary sponsor

 

[TRF_Olyy]

For example Italian teams get a lot less revenue now which hampers their development.

See this argument just doesn't work on me at all.
I said before: why should English clubs get less than their fair share at the expense of some **** clubs in Italy?
Why should Gloucester care if the Italy Union get more money in their pockets?
When Wasps were going bankrupt did the SRU send them a cheque?

This is club rugby, not international rugby. Just because the Unions of the pro14 sides are involved in their clubs doesn't mean the English clubs should get money taken out of their pockets. Most of the English clubs outdate the Unions anyway, so they should learn to respect their elders.

 

[munstermuffin]

See this argument just doesn't work on me at all.
I said before: why should English clubs get less than their fair share at the expense of some **** clubs in Italy?
Why should Gloucester care if the Italy Union get more money in their pockets?
When Wasps were going bankrupt did the SRU send them a cheque?

This is club rugby, not international rugby. Just because the Unions of the pro14 sides are involved in their clubs doesn't mean the English clubs should get money taken out of their pockets. Most of the English clubs outdate the Unions anyway, so they should learn to respect their elders.

Again I never mentioned that. Like here in Ireland we got on with it and continue to try our best competing despite loosing money as PRL got in to bed with BT and didn't give a F about how they were making a balls of marketing and revenue side of it and effectively (from a European Club side) everyone down alot of cash from the fact lads were let drive the bus who wouldn't drive a nail. And again I think it was some top men in PRL thought they had a model bigger and better than it was are a cause of it. For example take out TV revenues thwre absolutely no real difference between PRL and Pro14. The PRL is nowhere near quality of Top 14 or draws the same crowd consistently.

Also SRU were saving their penny's to enter a team in PRL as a feeders club.

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

Typical Irish blaming the British for everything this time they are blaming our Telecommunications!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Leonormous Boozer]

See this argument just doesn't work on me at all.
I said before: why should English clubs get less than their fair share at the expense of some **** clubs in Italy?
Why should Gloucester care if the Italy Union get more money in their pockets?
When Wasps were going bankrupt did the SRU send them a cheque?

This is club rugby, not international rugby. Just because the Unions of the pro14 sides are involved in their clubs doesn't mean the English clubs should get money taken out of their pockets. Most of the English clubs outdate the Unions anyway, so they should learn to respect their elders.

Why is their fair share bigger or the same as the Italians or Scottish though? The English teams need the union sides as much as the unions need them to make this competition viable, the unions' clubs need to be competitive for that to work. We're possibly in the last World Cup cycle where Ireland will be able to keep their best players in the country, Wales and Scotland are already seeing their best club players go for money and their clubs have managed to beat Treviso and Saints so far in the tournament not a good return. Without helping Irish, Welsh, Scottish and Italian unions out financially they'll end up making less than they would have under the old system. This competition is a result of a shortsighted money-grab by clubs who want to kill international unions anyway. Anyone who is on the side of international rugby being the pinnacle of the sport shouldn't have this point of view.

 

[munstermuffin]

Typical Irish blaming the British for everything this time they are blaming our Telecommunications!!!!!!!!!!!!

What is the telecommunications comment. I'm lost

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

What is the telecommunications comment. I'm lost

Blaming BT.

 

[munstermuffin]

Blaming BT.

Well isn't that evident. They have said they used their link with PRL to break in to the market. And well it was more as a business they wanted to outdo Sky. There is no issues as itbdog eat dog but they made balls of long term and if they go bust or pull money it could really even destroy all their own game

 

[Car]

In France, they used to have two matches on public TV (one on Saturday, one on Sunday) back in the H Cup (as it had to be called there) days, now it's only one on Sunday. The Champions Cup is on BeIn Sports while the Top 14 is shown by Canal+. That doesn't help either as many now can't be bothered to get BeIn, too.

 

[TommiG88]

Saints are awful. So many missed tackles.

Edit: just a bloody joke of a team. I was expecting a response, nothing. Just **** poor.

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

God French "fans" are such shits, seriously shut up with the constant booing everything

 

[TommiG88]

God French "fans" are such shits, seriously shut up with the constant booing everything

Same as the Irish. The Welsh would probably be the same if they could fill more than a dozen seats.

 

[Leonormous Boozer]

It's easy to say all that and ignore that English teams do it too. A fair few boos rang around Sandy Park last week... Glasgow are the worst, they literally boo for no reason, booed Sexton off the pitch simply for teaching them a lesson in rugby.

 

[TommiG88]

It's easy to say all that and ignore that English teams do it too. A fair few boos rang around Sandy Park last week... Glasgow are the worst, they literally boo for no reason, booed Sexton off the pitch simply for teaching them a lesson in rugby.

Salty