Yes they are different sports. Both emanate from the same idea but the laws are very different.College football is a greater chasm to the NFL than Rugby League is to Rugby Union. Would you consider Rugby Union & League different sports?
Yes they are different sports. Both emanate from the same idea but the laws are very different.College football is a greater chasm to the NFL than Rugby League is to Rugby Union. Would you consider Rugby Union & League different sports?
Major reachCollege football is a greater chasm to the NFL than Rugby League is to Rugby Union. Would you consider Rugby Union & League different sports?
Etzebeth just generally reallyEtzebeth on Smith as well ?
Are you saying that they are actually different sports?College football is a greater chasm to the NFL than Rugby League is to Rugby Union. Would you consider Rugby Union & League different sports?
College football is a greater chasm to the NFL than Rugby League is to Rugby Union. Would you consider Rugby Union & League different sports?
You just described CFB versus NFL: https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/07/11/college-football-ncaa-rules-difference-prosYes they are different sports. Both emanate from the same idea but the laws are very different.
Resident expert eh?Major reach
Not me, coaches who have been in the NFL and College Football say it's a different sport.Are you saying that they are actually different sports?
That was obviously where you were going but they do in your hole. HS->College->NFL players flow from one to the next and can't go back. RL and RU don't work like that.
Schoolboy rugby has some different rules to professional rugby. That doesn't make it a different sport.
Also not combat sports by any common definition anyway.
Two minutes was long enough to lose patience. (actually the music just did)
That overanalyses of every decision a referee makes will kill the game far quicker than anything else that's been suggested.
I watch tonnes of college football and NFL (have seen a decent amount of hs too) and this argument is mind boggling to me. They're not different sports, they're different levels of the same sport with pretty marginal rule changes. To say these changes are more significant than the difference between union and league is just false. The fact that the clock stops briefly between first downs in CFB, or only having to get one foot inbounds vs two is not comparable to the differences between league and union.You just described CFB versus NFL: https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/07/11/college-football-ncaa-rules-difference-pros
Resident expert eh?
Not me, coaches who have been in the NFL and College Football say it's a different sport.
Simply put, college football is a lateral game like rugby. Due to a different field and rule set, the game is played from one sideline to the other. In the NFL, the field/ruleset is designed for verticality. The top players in college football oftentimes don't even make an NFL roster. Not only are the rules and field different, but the body types and athleticism are also miles apart.
Not so hasty, we have the shitshow of Six Nations match day threads to get through first! I'm considering trying to get in a slinging match with the French this year, just for a changeLet's face it, we can all be a bunch of ***** from time to time. We can all be stupid, clever, right, wrong etc etc.
Let's save the really massive fall out for the WC.
Not so hasty, we have the shitshow of Six Nations match day threads to get through first! I'm considering trying to get in a slinging match with the French this year, just for a change
I'm comparing to Fiji like... And I think England deserved their win, SA weren't clinical enough and I don't think being up an extra man would have changed much the way they were playing. And trust me, I didn't care who won that match, I had to support SA three times during the summer, more than enough for a year.Is 1 card from 18 really mad, I mean teams aim to keep under 10 pens at international, most teams probably get around that but don't average a yellow per game, is there some perfect threshold for penalties per card that just happens to be 9, as 8 would mean England deserved two and SA one.
The only with hard count for a team yellow is the types of penalty given away, does a straight yellow/red count towards it. I think the below a fair assessment (don't read the comments) although as noted an attacking pen tends to have less 'weight' than an attacking one. You also have question if its fair to add scrum penalties to the list as well.I'm comparing to Fiji like... And I think England deserved their win, SA weren't clinical enough and I don't think being up an extra man would have changed much the way they were playing. And trust me, I didn't care who won that match, I had to support SA three times during the summer, more than enough for a year.
My previous post was saying that there should be a threshold and that it's something that bothers me in rugby. Whether it's every 7 or 8 penalties or let a team reach ten and then go for every 5. Bad discipline and constant penalties without cards coming really ruins the flow of the game when currently we have refs just base it off how they feel (and often how a home crowd influences).
I also think 18 penalties for one team penalty is mad, France gave away six penalties v Wales this year and got a team yellow, it wasn't even on the last penalty that they got one. The inconsistency is baffling.
I don't understand why rugby equips a ref with a team of four other officials and leaves almost everything up to the ref. The other one is the TMO, the ref shouldn't be able to influence their TMO, give an on field decision, am opinion on what happened and let the TMO male the decision from there. Refs are influencing far more than they have to and its leading to more and more disputed performances.
A] That looks like you're wanting to simplify something - which goes against everything that rugby stands for.I'm comparing to Fiji like... And I think England deserved their win, SA weren't clinical enough and I don't think being up an extra man would have changed much the way they were playing. And trust me, I didn't care who won that match, I had to support SA three times during the summer, more than enough for a year.
My previous post was saying that there should be a threshold and that it's something that bothers me in rugby. Whether it's every 7 or 8 penalties or let a team reach ten and then go for every 5. Bad discipline and constant penalties without cards coming really ruins the flow of the game when currently we have refs just base it off how they feel (and often how a home crowd influences).
I also think 18 penalties for one team penalty is mad, France gave away six penalties v Wales this year and got a team yellow, it wasn't even on the last penalty that they got one. The inconsistency is baffling.
I don't understand why rugby equips a ref with a team of four other officials and leaves almost everything up to the ref. The other one is the TMO, the ref shouldn't be able to influence their TMO, give an on field decision, am opinion on what happened and let the TMO male the decision from there. Refs are influencing far more than they have to and its leading to more and more disputed performances.
You're absolutely right and it's all very subjective at the moment. I'm fine with subjective as long as the ref displays good judgement (hmmm) and my team isn't disadvantagedThe only with hard count for a team yellow is the types of penalty given away, does a straight yellow/red count towards it. I think the below a fair assessment (don't read the comments) although as noted an attacking pen tends to have less 'weight' than an attacking one. You also have question if its fair to add scrum penalties to the list as well.
Ref Watch: England dodged a high penalty count bullet
Social media has heaped plenty of mostly undeserved criticism on referee Andy Brace following England’s narrow win over South Africa.www.rugbypass.com
Still I think Brace should of branded a yellow card earlier and I think it might more influenced by its being a different half (there does seam to be a reset that occurs that shouldn't, as well as length of time between warning and the next penalty) and the nature of those first half penalties. Whether it would changed I don't know the yellow card period actually was the point where England started to get a better grip on the game that they were badly loosing.
Not that it should of made a difference Kolisi should or probably had a word with the Brace earlier and he certainly shouldn't of had it when a potential yellow card was not given, it wasn't clear at first that was what he was arguing for and looked like it was dissent for the TMO decision. So a bad bit of ref management (thank god we didn;t have Farrell he'd probably got it upgraded to a red).