England Six Nations Squad 2025

[Lé Ddanno]

Have we though?

I get @IT157's point and I mostly agree but right now, Atkinson is the only one I think is weirdly overlooked.

Ojomoh is clearly liked and I expect him to get some game time over the summer.

Hartley is only just getting back into his stride after a long injury lay off. He hasn't really done anything to warrant being selected at the moment but still has plenty of time to come good.

Woodward and Waghorn have made promising starts but are literally a few games into their senior careers.

We might regret losing Kelly but being behind Kata or playing at 13 didn't really help his cause or scream 'pick me'.

I meant EQP 12s in total, not 12s being overlooked. We don't have a huge pool to draw from is all

 

[Don't Skip Leg Day]

Dingwall did what was expected which was be solid, his defence was good and he did his job. England looked better, need to see him against a proper tier 1 team though but hearing that quote must tank your motivation.

 

[Lé Ddanno]

Dingwall did what was expected which was be solid, his defence was good and he did his job. England looked better, need to see him against a proper tier 1 team though but hearing that quote must tank your motivation.

Got no complaints about his playing, but also barely noticed him. He's like a workhorse 6 just getting on with it. Hard to evaluate.

 

[Geordie]

Yes just none of the 12s can match the physical requirements of today's 12s. It's back to the dump truck with hands.

Hartley might be an option but otherwise there's mostly medium weight lads. So I can definitely see the interest in moving Earl. I like the idea but then I'm a huge fan of Earl one of England's best players currently. The move is especially good when England have large number of back rowers.

Question is...would Earl be up for it and would Saracens.

 

[Lé Ddanno]

**** it, if we're putting CCS at lock, Heyes is finishing like a winger, Freeman at 13, Marcus at 15 then why not. Earl is now 12.

 

[Geordie]

Id sooner Ollie Hartley just step up.

How do you balance that back row with 3 class options like the Currys and Earl...and two big uns like CCS and Willis?

And that's without Pollock in contention just yet.

 

[Lé Ddanno]

Id sooner Ollie Hartley just step up.

How do you balance that back row with 3 class options like the Currys and Earl...and two big uns like CCS and Willis?

And that's without Pollock in contention just yet.

I really think Willis should be starting, he's been incredibly destructive in the carry* and the tackle**. Today wasn't his greatest but he wasn't given much of a chance coming on at 65m, packing down at 6 - but still assisted a try

*He almost never goes down without ground or 2-3 defenders

**Absolutely smashes

 

[Geordie]

I really think Willis should be starting, he's been incredibly destructive in the carry* and the tackle**. Today wasn't his greatest but he wasn't given much of a chance coming on at 65m, packing down at 6 - but still assisted a try

*He almost never goes down without ground or 2-3 defenders

**Absolutely smashes

Yeah I really do like the idea of having CCS or Willis on that back row. Both about 19 stone, 6'4/ 6'5 that's a huge unit.

Then the choice between the Curries and Earl. The Curries are probably more refined technically...but Earl is just raw explosive power (not quite Underhill's level) pace and insane fitness/ endurance.

Earl at 12 though...very interesting....

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

 

[Vieux Talonneur]

Must be disheartening if you are an English 12 and you're being overlooked by a back rower.

Yes. But I don't have a great deal of sympathy. IF Earl's the best option then play him, end of. Wouldn't compromise the back row, although remains to be seen whether Earl really does have the all round game and positional awareness.

Any others feeling aggrieved will simply have to take a long hard look in the mirror to ask why he's been picked and what they can do better.

IF he ends up there and consistently makes a couple of metres through fairly direct running to get on the front foot….isn't that exactly how M Smith thrived playing off Esterhuizen for Quins? Just saying.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Be interesting to see if this filters through to what Saracens do with Earl, seeing as he's on a central contract