England Rugby 2018/19 Thread

[Pieter Steph du Teague]

No but our first choices are mako and sinks and both are players that excess in open play and bring alot more than just scrummaging. Genge will overtake moon if he progresses how he should.

Props arnt just scrummagers anymore.


On moon who are the alternatives?

Personally think Hepburn is a far superior player to Moon.

 

[BPM]

I agree. If the priority is considered to be their ability in the loose, Hepburn would easily be ahead of Moon.

The reality is that there needs to be a balance between the set piece and elsewhere. Moon is essentially replacing Marler, who was always more of a 'traditional' prop, albeit a fair bit better than Moon in the loose IMO - certainly when it comes to carrying and tackling.

 

[Pieter Steph du Teague]

I don't think Moon's a particularly good scrummager anyway really. Chiefs' scrum hasn't been strong at all this year. I've also never noticed Hepburn's scrummaging to be particularly weak, despite his size. And in open play Hepburn puts Moon to shame.

 

[Scotty]

Personally think Hepburn is a far superior player to Moon.

I was surprised when moon got called up over Hepburn. And hepburn deffinatly holds his own in the scrum. But they are both very good prem level players for more or low end of international standards for different reasons to each other.

I just hope genge starts all our warm up games. Hows Obano doing?

 

[TRF_Olyy]

bring alot more than just scrummaging.

Neither really bring scrummaging tbf

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

I just hope genge starts all our warm up games. Hows Obano doing?

Not brilliantly. Considering his low centre of gravity and massive legs, his carrying is average and he's a pretty poor scrummager.

 

[Scotty]

Neither really bring scrummaging tbf

True they aint the best in the business in the scrum but mako and sinks held their own vs healy and furlong in the 6N right.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Aye I'm only taking the ****, they're both serviceable at this level.

Sinckler seems to have regressed this season though - I love Ross Harrison, don't get me wrong, but no starting international tighthead should get dicked in the scrum by him so hard that they get threatened with a card

 

[Pieter Steph du Teague]

Speaking of Harrison, he's another I rate above Moon.

 

[Nudger]

Why haven't we got even one prop who can adequately cover both sides? Wilson could, think Brookes too. Having 3 specialists on each side is taking up an unnecessary space.

I think you have to take 9 front row ,given that that 6 play per match

 

[Scotty]

So if mako wasnt fit

I think you have to take 9 front row ,given that that 6 play per match

And if we lost mako george sinks there is a big drop off to the second choice.

 

[BPM]

Indeed. Let's hope we don't!

You could say the same for most countries though. For example, if Ireland lose Healy and Furlong, McGrath (on recent form) and Porter are nowhere near as good.

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

Indeed. Let's hope we don't!

You could say the same for most countries though. For example, if Ireland lose Healy and Furlong, McGrath (on recent form) and Porter are nowhere near as good.

Reminds me of something someone said on the eggchasers podcast. He was making out England could not be deemed world class because if we got to our 3rd choice in a position, we suffered a drop in performance. When it was pointed out that is the same for any nation, he just dodged the point. I don't think any team in the world could lose their front row without performance dropping quite noticeably.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

When do we find out the first training squad?

Solomona has just had surgery so I imagine a lot of players have been told if they're in or not

 

[Mr Ruggleby]

Reminds me of something someone said on the eggchasers podcast. He was making out England could not be deemed world class because if we got to our 3rd choice in a position, we suffered a drop in performance. When it was pointed out that is the same for any nation, he just dodged the point. I don't think any team in the world could lose their front row without performance dropping quite noticeably.

Who said that? I think there is a pretty strong case for England having THE best depth of any nation. You could easily get down to a 3rd or even 4th choice XV that was competitive at international level against all but the top 3 teams (NZ, Wal, Ire). I don't think there is any other nation that could come close to that in comparative terms (although I'm sure the All Blacks 3rd XV would bring some flair).

 

[Which Tyler]

Ford, JJ and Ant Watson have been doing some pre-camp sprint training: https://www.somersetlive.co.uk/sport/other-sport/bath-rugby-stars-loughborough-university-2970487
Joined by... Marcus Watson, Ben Loader and... erm... Ellis Genge...

 

[Lé Ddanno]

When do we find out the first training squad?

Solomona has just had surgery so I imagine a lot of players have been told if they're in or not

Rumour I've seen on another site is that it's announced on 25 June

 

[BPM]

I saw 25th June too, but then TRP have said it's 4th July.

 

[Don't Skip Leg Day]

I look forward to watching Ford sprinting with the ball.....only to get turned over as soon as he gets rag doll tackled by any opposition player. Really wish he'd have eaten his greens when he was younger and grew into a man rather than a manboy, he's just too small to be world class unfortunately.

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

I look forward to watching Ford sprinting with the ball.....only to get turned over as soon as he gets rag doll tackled by any opposition player. Really wish he'd have eaten his greens when he was younger and grew into a man rather than a manboy, he's just too small to be world class unfortunately.

Tell that to Cheslin Kolbe. Ford is actually pretty good at making runs. The problem is he didn't do it after the whole daddy and bath fiasco. Confidence issue or instruction, not sure but he is actually bloody quick.