England Post-WC discussion

[ratsapprentice]

I really can't work out whether he is interested or not.

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

If Eddie didn't want the job he would outright say I'm not interested IMO.

He has a contract with Stormers already so has nothing to gain from playing hard to get with them.

Things like this

If anyone comes knocking on your door it's polite to answer. That's all I have said," Jones said.

"If anyone comes knocking on my door, I answer and say 'hello, how are you?' and then listen to what they have got to say.

"I have not said I am interested. All I've said is I will be polite. I am a polite guy.

He clearly wants the job IMO but he wants RFU to come to him which gives him the power.

Like that article he says England need an experience older coach who isn't and experienced older coach Lancaster who is Jones.

IMO he so wants the job.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Yeah, I reckon he'd be interested too.

He's also not stupid - he doesn't want to sour things with the Stormers, saying to the press he's interested in leaving them before he's even had a single day there, only for the RFU to stick with Lancaster, or appoint Lewis Moody or something instead.

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

Yeah, I reckon he'd be interested too.

He's also not stupid - he doesn't want to sour things with the Stormers, saying to the press he's interested in leaving them before he's even had a single day there, only for the RFU to stick with Lancaster, or appoint Lewis Moody or something instead.

Yep the RFU have a track record of luring coaches in and then rejecting them.

IMO if England offered England the job outright said its yours to do as pleased def he would take it without a second thought.

Although would he want to handle the RFU or will he insist on a Jake White or SCW taking Mr Andrew job.

God I need to stop reading Twitter

Article on Eddie Jones being interested in job gets comments like:

Rather have Mallinder or McCall
We have English talent use English coaches.
There shouldn't be a vacancy in the first place.

I mean how thick do you have to be to compare Eddie Jones to Mallinder or McCall!

Also I'm not being biased to Eddie because he played for Leicester.

 

[TommiG88]

Twitter is the devil.

A place for fair weather supporters, clueless people and general idiots.

 

[Jakedood]

Mark McCall is from Northern Ireland fyi! So whoever said that is a dumbass, i mean you just need to listen to him speak!

A foreign coach is what's needed, but one who understands English rugby in some way. Who can keep the traditional english strengths, but then build on them to take advantage of the potential backline at their disposal. Like Slade's passing is a bullet, always in front of the man, and he looked great at 12, though I do think physically he can grow out as well, so then defensively he can deal easily with the likes of a Jamie Roberts thundering at him and Ford. Ford also looked much better with Slade outside him than with Farrell, and both with an actual outside centre in there, did anyone else notice this?

Anyway clearly off topic so apologies for that little rant, but Eddie Jones would be good, and I'd imagine his coaches would be well balanced unlike what we currently have

 

[big ginger 8]

Yeah, I reckon he'd be interested too.

He's also not stupid - he doesn't want to sour things with the Stormers, saying to the press he's interested in leaving them before he's even had a single day there, only for the RFU to stick with Lancaster, or appoint Lewis Moody or something instead.

You just gave the RFU a great idea.

 

[Vieux Talonneur]

When Meyer converted Tom Youngs to hooker, I wonder if he also considered open side.

Short, quick, aggressive, very powerful in the shoulders & arms. In many respects he's absolutely built for it. As an ex-centre surely he'd have had a head start in the skills section too. Would have seemed like a more logical switch to me.

 

[Don't Skip Leg Day]

When Meyer converted Tom Youngs to hooker, I wonder if he also considered open side.

Short, quick, aggressive, very powerful in the shoulders & arms. In many respects he's absolutely built for it. As an ex-centre surely he'd have had a head start in the skills section too. Would have seemed like a more logical switch to me.

Given our complete lack of 12s he should have stuck at it. I wouldn't have moaned at youngs at 12! He has more of a centres skills than barritt , burgess or Farrell

 

[Patchey]

Given our complete lack of 12s he should have stuck at it. I wouldn't have moaned at youngs at 12! He has more of a centres skills than barritt , burgess or Farrell

Not sure if joking or ...?

 

[Geordie]

Whats peoples honest views of Courtney Lawes? Im just not 100% convinced.

Im also wondering if a big start out the blocks by matt Symons could propel him in to contention. After all he has been part of the Waikato 2 time winning S15 team, captaining it at times is only 25 and English. And is 6'8

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

Would take Kitchener, Symons and Itojie over Lawes ATM.

We have too many resources @ second row to afford bad form IMO.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Completely agree - Lawes' form hasn't been good enough recently. It's possible he's playing through injury/isn't 100%, but as Tigs says: We've got so many resources we don't need to carry a player in the hope he'll get better soon.

 

[Geordie]

On top form do you think he brings enough to the game?

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

On top form do you think he brings enough to the game?

He brings an aggression in defence that England have lacked recently, we are very passive defenders often conceding ground.

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

TBH no.

He is a big hitter, I wouldn't call him a lineout caller or a ball carrier, he doesn't add grunt in the scrum.

I don't know I just don't think him and Launch going forward would be the most balanced compare to other options.

Symons looks on super rugby form to bring everything.

 

[valley commando]

Yep the RFU have a track record of luring coaches in and then rejecting them.

IMO if England offered England the job outright said its yours to do as pleased def he would take it without a second thought.

Although would he want to handle the RFU or will he insist on a Jake White or SCW taking Mr Andrew job.

God I need to stop reading Twitter

Article on Eddie Jones being interested in job gets comments like:

Rather have Mallinder or McCall
We have English talent use English coaches.
There shouldn't be a vacancy in the first place.

I mean how thick do you have to be to compare Eddie Jones to Mallinder or McCall!

Also I'm not being biased to Eddie because he played for Leicester.

Agree with you, Eddie Jones would be the glue to stick England back together, but he will want his choice of coaches around him and should he be offered the job and accept England will need to clear out the RFU's yes men, that means goodbye to Catt, Lancaster and Andrew at least, he will want to prise Borthwick away from Bristol and get rid of the stupid non English club barr.

 

[Geordie]

TBH no.

He is a big hitter, I wouldn't call him a lineout caller or a ball carrier, he doesn't add grunt in the scrum.

I don't know I just don't think him and Launch going forward would be the most balanced compare to other options.

Symons looks on super rugby form to bring everything.

That's exactly how I feel Tigs. I feel that we carry him too often. He is nowhere near as influential in the tight stuff that a lock should be...and we have plenty others who are of the required standard.

I hope Slater gets his knee sorted...he could very well be one...and Kitchener. Wasn't it Brad Thorn who said if he was a Kiwi he would be an AB. Add in Symons and we'll all be watching what the "deity" Itoje can produce this season.

We're well stocked for players who in my opinion offer a lot more in all facets of the game.

 

[RedruthRFC]

I'm surprised by how many people seem to be thinking about Itoje as a second row. At the moment, he doesn't offer the grunt or hard edge that most people are calling out for in the English team. On top of that, at least at the end of last season, Sarries appeared to be thinking of him as a blind side (a position in which he would tick most boxes for England).

 

[Geordie]

I think Itoje is a dilemma where he plays. We should see how he goes this season.

I think locks should be considered out of:

4 Launchbury
5 (Symons, Attwood, Kitchener, Slater) - Who ever shows the best form.

Itoje can be monitored...but jeez the expectations on the young lads shoulders are.....MASSIVE!!!!!