England EPS 2017/18 edition.

[Reiser99]

Not IMO.

We have lost what 4 games since he started.
I guess your last statement sums up your overreacting.

I'm not going to question EJ's worth yet, but I expect changes in the summer and autumn, because while we won last year, based on performances, this has been coming for a while. If he uses the excuse of it will take too long to blood new players for the world cup, then I can't support him at all, because his current system is not working.

 

[Abraxaz]

Not IMO.

We have lost what 4 games since he started.
I guess your last statement sums up your overreacting.

Yes,

But for the last 8 wins we've barely scrapped wins.
We haven't looked convincing in a long time.

Can you honestly say Jones picks inform players? Wiggles worth over Robson?

We look terrible and have gone backwards whilst everyone else is going forward.

Can't wait for the abuse come world cup when we fail again to leave the pool but don't worry we are still learning...

 

[Abraxaz]

Not IMO.

We have lost what 4 games since he started.
I guess your last statement sums up your overreacting.

Yes,

But for the last 8 wins we've barely scrapped wins.
We haven't looked convincing in a long time.

Can you honestly say Jones picks inform players? Wiggles worth over Robson?

We look terrible and have gone backwards whilst everyone else is going forward.

Can't wait for the abuse come world cup when we fail again to leave the pool but don't worry we are still learning...

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

looked convincing in Argentina in terms of style.
I think we have been hampered alot by the lions tour on top of the amount they play with the clubs.

There wasn't that many complaints when the squad was announced for the 6N's either.

 

[Pieter Steph du Teague]

looked convincing in Argentina in terms of style.
I think we have been hampered alot by the lions tour on top of the amount they play with the clubs.

There wasn't that many complaints when the squad was announced for the 6N's either.

People had a lot more trust in EJ prior to this 6N and so any issues with the squad very much came out as "I'd have liked x instead of x but hey, in Eddie we trust " whereas now that confidence in his ability to make the right selections, especially after the catastrophe that has been our back row, has disappeared.

I imagine that much of the team, especially the backs who will have more or less seen the breakdown as we see it, from an outsiders perspective, will have lost a ton of confidence in him. I really wouldn't be surprised if the likes of Ford who have come under criticism due to getting no decent ball from the forwards will either be at the point of or close to the point of directly blaming Jones for the criticism that he's come under.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Wonder if Woodward is any closer to the England squad?

 

[Which Tyler]

People had a lot more trust in EJ prior to this 6N and so any issues with the squad very much came out as "I'd have liked x instead of x but hey, in Eddie we trust " whereas now that confidence in his ability to make the right selections, especially after the catastrophe that has been our back row, has disappeared.

I imagine that much of the team, especially the backs who will have more or less seen the breakdown as we see it, from an outsiders perspective, will have lost a ton of confidence in him. I really wouldn't be surprised if the likes of Ford who have come under criticism due to getting no decent ball from the forwards will either be at the point of or close to the point of directly blaming Jones for the criticism that he's come under.

A large part of the problem is the backs have been watching the breakdown from the inside, whilst the forwards stood there watching.
Eg Ford trying to hold position against 2 Scots whilst Cole stood an arm's length from him, waiting for a SH to arrive.

 

[Every Time Ref]

Predicted back 5 for SA:

4. Kruis
5. Launchbury
6. Lawes
7. Itoje
8. Beaumont

 

[Pieter Steph du Teague]

On this lock-in-the-backrow stuff, what do people think of Tom Ellis? He's been very impressive every time I've seen him and does now seem to be more 6 than lock. Could be one for the future.

 

[Which Tyler]

Do you mean the Bath OSF who lost a tonne of weight and worked hard on his mobility to become an OSF 2 years ago?
Good player, just back from the injury he received with England in May. He's like a new signing.

 

[Every Time Ref]

Toby my idea already gets as many locks into the pack as I think we can possibly get. I wish we could find a way to squeeze another lock in there, I really do, but alas I just don't think it's possible.

Edit: could you put a lock at hooker?

 

[ratsapprentice]

He's not really big enough to be a top lock, he's a good prem 6.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

We can play 2 locks in the centres as well right?

4 - Launchbury
5 - Kruis
6 - Lawes
7 - Itoje
8 - Beaumont

12 - Ewels
13 - Isiekwe

Bangin team

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Banahan used to be a lock, stick him somewhere

 

[Not Mike Brown's Sock]

In all seriousness, this is what I hope we see for SA-
Marler
Cowan dickie
Sinckler
Launchbury
Kruis
Robshaw
Underhill
Billy (is he back by then?)
Youngs
Smith
Daly
Tuilagi
Slade
Watson
Brown

Genge
Taylor
Williams
Isekwe
Armand
Care
Ford
Woodward

Wider squad-
Boyce
Dunn
Collier
Ewels
A curry
Chisholm
Robson
Lozowski
Marchant
Earle
Coakiasanga

I know this isn't the strongest possible squad, but it's a good mixture of youth and experience I think

 

[j'nuh]

Guys Ludlow is keeping Moriarty out of the squad at Gloucester. Give him a go.

 

[Bada-Bing!]

What's the word on Sam Jones? Was reading that he has been forced to retire after not recovering from Eddie's judo session last year. Is this true?

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

SA tour team of need to take a big squad cause it's a 3 test tour.
1. Genge, Marler, Boyce
2. Cowan-Dickie, Taylor, Hartley
3. Williams, Sinckler, Collier
4. Launchbury, Ewels
5. Kruis, Isiekwe, Spencer
6. Wilson, Ewers, Robshaw,
7. Armand, Underhill, Willis
8. Vunipola, Mercer
9. Youngs, Robson, Maunder (If Fit)
10. Ford, Smith
11. May, Cokanasiga, Roko
12. Lozowski, I don't know Hill, Slade, James, Francis, Deveoto whoever. Mills if he could ever stay fit.
13. Tuilagi, Marchant, (Is Trinder still fit?) maybe even Thompkins.
14. Nowell, Earle, Lewington
15. Woodward, Brown who else is there maybe Marshall don't know. (Could've been Haley if he didn't get his Irish on)......

Coaching
Manger: Eddie
Forwards: Borthwick
Breakdown: Get smith back in for a bit
Attack: Vesty (Also to **** with Saints)
Skills: Ella

What's the word on Sam Jones? Was reading that he has been forced to retire after not recovering from Eddie's judo session last year. Is this true?

From what i gather it's true but don't think it is confirmed.

 

[Bada-Bing!]

Sad if it is true about Sam Jones.