England are not the only ones ...

[ZeFrenchy]

If you can vote and/or hold a country's passport, you can play. That would become tricky in the UK I guess, but elsewhere those rules define pretty well what each country defines as being a "national". Same rules for every country doesn't make sense, as each nation have different perspectives. And those differences are rather well taken care of by multilateral diplomatic agreements, which would set rules for the "poaching" that don't depend on the feeling of the same unions that will perform the poaching or be poached.

 

[formerlyfastwing]

Serious question here. Are not Wales, Scotland and England all one in the same?

Same passport?

Same currancy?

Same gov't?

Same Queen?

 

[nickdnz]

Serious question here. Are not Wales, Scotland and England all one in the same?

Same passport?

Same currancy?

Same gov't?

Same Queen?

Well, from my understanding, England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland are represented as Great Britain (which is a soverign state). It's essentially a country that contains four countries (which are all most closer to states).

 

[formerlyfastwing]

Well, from my understanding, England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland are represented as Great Britain (which is a soverign state). It's essentially a country that contains four countries (which are all most closer to states).

huh?

But in the olymipics are they split? I thought it was just Great Britian? So what defines a "country", seperate laws, language, currancy, national "dress"?

Still not sure I am following?

 

[ZeFrenchy]

Yes, they issue the same passport and have the exact same rights (I think, any brit can correct me), the difference is given on residence. That's why I said they would be the tricky part. Anyway, Wales poaching english players (or anything of the sort) doesn't seem to be the relevant issue.

They participate as the UK in the olympics, they are separate federations in association football.

 

[markshaw]

I agree with that 5 year idea definatly. Although speaking of my self I had a British passport here in New Zealand before I had ever stepped foot in the UK at all+

 

[smartcooky]

Enough of this rubbish please.

This!!

 

[Nielsch]

huh?

But in the olymipics are they split? I thought it was just Great Britian? So what defines a "country", seperate laws, language, currancy, national "dress"?

Still not sure I am following?

They are not split in the Olympics. Heck, even solo sporters like tennis players represent Great Britain and not the individual states.

 

[gingergenius]

Serious question here. Are not Wales, Scotland and England all one in the same?

Same passport?

Same currancy?

Same gov't?

Same Queen?

The above (and Northern Ireland, even though I wish we got rid of them) are all part of the UK, one single state.

However, because of historical reasons - largely religious/ linguistic/ regal - NI, Wales and Scotland enjoy some degree of autonomy, especially at sport. England gets none besides sport, quite frankly because for many England is the UK - Wales is part of the English crown; and while the Act of Union with Scotland in 1707 joined the two kingdoms together, England has always been wealthier, more powerful and more populous.

The British Isles are quite unique in the world when it comes to nationality, because there are literally so many different people claiming different things; you have places like the Channel Islands with different tax laws; Isle of Man with its own parliament; Scotland with its own banknotes; further afield places like Bermuda and Montserrat which are hangovers of empire; Eire which is a completely different country in itself; Northern Ireland which is just a ****ing mess.

In the end, excluding Northern Ireland, it's stable enough that people can claim several identities and things work out. For example, on the recent census under nationality, I called myself a Londoner, English and British. All three are true and all three work.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Serious question here. Are not Wales, Scotland and England all one in the same?

Same passport?

Same currancy?

Same gov't?

Same Queen?

Christ, don't let the Welsh/Scottish hear you say that! :lol:

Yes, they issue the same passport and have the exact same rights (I think, any brit can correct me), the difference is given on residence. That's why I said they would be the tricky part. Anyway, Wales poaching english players (or anything of the sort) doesn't seem to be the relevant issue.

They participate as the UK in the olympics, they are separate federations in association football.

Pfft, have a look at the Welsh squad, loads of em (well, a few) were born in England

(I jest Despite being born here they were all raised in Wales from a relatively young age)


It's just borders and (these days) different 'Governments' (Wales have the Welsh Assembly since the 90s, which isn't a full government, but is who looks after Wales, Scotland have their own Scottish Parliament which has been going for a similar amount of time) - The rights etc. are all pretty much the same in each country, though Wales/Scotland are slightly different in (for example) NHS fees - In the UK you have to pay for prescriptions (only £7.50) but in Wales they're free
If a person born in Wales goes to a Welsh university they get part (all?) of their fees cut by the W.A, same goes for a Scottish person going to a Scottish Uni - their fees are a lot less

 

[formerlyfastwing]

Christ, don't let the Welsh/Scottish hear you say that! :lol:



Pfft, have a look at the Welsh squad, loads of em (well, a few) were born in England

(I jest Despite being born here they were all raised in Wales from a relatively young age)


It's just borders and (these days) different 'Governments' (Wales have the Welsh Assembly since the 90s, which isn't a full government, but is who looks after Wales, Scotland have their own Scottish Parliament which has been going for a similar amount of time) - The rights etc. are all pretty much the same in each country, though Wales/Scotland are slightly different in (for example) NHS fees - In the UK you have to pay for prescriptions (only £7.50) but in Wales they're free
If a person born in Wales goes to a Welsh university they get part (all?) of their fees cut by the W.A, same goes for a Scottish person going to a Scottish Uni - their fees are a lot less

wow what a mess.......should like a bunch of Quebecios.......