England 2021/22

[BPM]

Namibia

Schickerling is 23 and honestly can't think of another tighthead that would
1) Be good enough
2) Be worth it just from a development pov

Sinckler is unavailable and the playoffs also remove Heyes, Collier, Hill and Painter (at least for now). I'm not suggesting that they would/should definitely be picked, but Eddie's called all of them up at some point.

I'd imagine Heyes is very likely to tour and I'd like to think Collier will join him. One or both might be available after this weekend.

I'd probably prefer Schickerling and Alo over Hill or Painter though.

 

[Vieux Talonneur]

Surprised that so many Wasps players have been selected.

But no Launchbury.

Not sure how he's been playing. But to the best of my knowledge he's fit and if he can't make this squad you've got to think his time is done.

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

Honestly he looked unfit v Tigers this weekend.
Didn't he pull out of the original squad with a knock might be a case of just letting him be.

 

[will311293]

Honestly he looked unfit v Tigers this weekend.
Didn't he pull out of the original squad with a knock might be a case of just letting him be.

Yeah i agree with @LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan). Think its more being rested than anything. He's not long back from a serious injury so assume he's being given time to rest. We have to remember he was in the squad before pulled out with injury.

 

[AngloScotsHybrid]

Radwan does have some special aspects to his game, but he also has some weak ones. I like him, but I can also see why there are some question marks and I don't think he's 'easily in the top 4 wingers in England'. If he is, it's just about, not 'easily'.

What are his weaknesses?

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Apparently Sinckler is unavailable to tour, staying at home to rehab a back injury so he's fully fit for next season

Stuart starting it is then, yikes
Hopefully Collier gets called up after the playoffs

 

[BPM]

What are his weaknesses?

It's easy to see where he excels, but his defence, positioning and kicking are all relatively weak. All of which are important for a test wing.

I say relatively because I wouldn't class them as 'weaknesses' as such, more that there are other wingers who have better all round skill sets.

I rate him highly, I was simply challenging your point that he's 'easily in the top 4 wingers in England' as I don't think that's the case. He's in the mix with several other promising, but mostly untested wingers all who have a decent case - Cokanasiga, Hassell-Collins, Lynagh, Murley, Thorley and Odogwu all have stand-out aspects to their game. Radwan might be the best of them but not 'easily' and there's plenty of reason for debating who is best suited to test rugby.

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Roebuck, as well - gross

They should think very carefully about throwing in with Scotland at such a young age - 30s off the bench and their contract negotiating power in the Prem nose dives

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

Roebuck is prob a good move for him.
Don't see him in the England lot really, Reed the more interesting prospect of the two

 

[Reiser99]

Scotland leading the race to the bottom. Said this would happen. Honestly they should be embarrassed.

 

[Scotty]

Scotland leading the race to the bottom. Said this would happen. Honestly they should be embarrassed.

Issue is how do you stop it? Fin smith Redpath Roebuck all are talented but non wer really ready for international rugby and as you say race to the bottom, cap them before they choose England

Do you get them in England camps before they are ready? EJ gets alot of young players in but players like redpath annoy me, was in camps but not quite ready, maybe a year off but would have got to england but because it wasnt as quick as he wanted he threw in with Scotland. Is there a solution?

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Smith is good enough to be in this England squad, if Atkinson and Bailey are, but I agree with what you're saying - just becomes us racing to the bottom as well, giving gametime to teenagers at the expense of players we need to getting gelled into the side who have already been capped

Roebuck is prob a good move for him.
Don't see him in the England lot really, Reed the more interesting prospect of the two

No arguments there but fucks his club career up - gonna come down to questions like him or Cobus Wiese on the bench, because neither are EQP - they're gonna go with Cobus and put someone from the academy like Jack Metcalf to cover back 3 etc.

 

[Which Tyler]

Worth pointing out that Smith and Redpath are properly Scottish, dunno about Roebuck.
I agree that it's a problem, but it's not one with a viable solution, it's up to the players and their advisors, to be sensible about things, especially in the current, reduced cap world. A Scottish cap would be a hindrance in contracts, whereas a few years, it'd be a boost.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Smith has one Scottish grandparent,
Roebuck born in Inverness to English parents, but moved to England while still in nappies
Played for England at every age grade from u16 upwards

My issue with it isn't from an eligibility stand point, per se, it's just the age/experience of the players - they wouldn't be getting these calls if they weren't dual qualified, and jumping into it with both feet could have consequences for their whole club career

 

[Scotty]

Worth pointing out that Smith and Redpath are properly Scottish, dunno about Roebuck.
I agree that it's a problem, but it's not one with a viable solution, it's up to the players and their advisors, to be sensible about things, especially in the current, reduced cap world. A Scottish cap would be a hindrance in contracts, whereas a few years, it'd be a boost.

I genuinely think there is a solution, if you have less than 2 grandparents from that country then you require 1 year residency meaning you have to show some commitment because your link is weaker.

Conversation for the other thread though.

 

[BPM]

What makes it worse is that Scotland have an 'A' game vs. Chile which I believe will officially capture players

 

[Scotty]

Just out of curiousity how good is Finn Smith? I heard he's a good talent but ive watched pretty much zero Wuss all season.

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

Just out of curiousity how good is Finn Smith? I heard he's a good talent but ive watched pretty much zero Wuss all season.

Second best 10 coming up behind Marcus imo

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Yeah I rate Smith (of the Fin variety) very highly