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Crisis at the REC as drugs and fighting allegations take hold

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (dundeesmiffy @ Jun 11 2009, 09:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
Hm, this would be awesome if it was some sort of protest against the Matt Stevens ban...like they all refused to take drugs tests.
I don't think taking drugs makes someone a bad person, I think people who think that are bad people though.[/b]
What a dumb statement to make.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Teh Mite @ Jun 1 2009, 06:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
...not to mention the lowlife sorts who intentionally choose to use class A drugs...[/b]

What a ridiculous statement to make.

The first part of my post (it would be awesome if...) was purely a "what if"...I'd find it funny. It'd also back-up my feelings on the Matt Stevens ban.
The second part was also comedically themed, I however find your somewhat myopic reaction to any mention of illicit drugs a little brash and undeserved.
 
Sympathy for the use of ILLEGAL contraband as low and pathetic as the scum who supply and use the stuff themselves.

Anyone who thinks otherwise seriously has problems.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Teh Mite @ Jun 12 2009, 07:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
Sympathy for the use of ILLEGAL contraband as low and pathetic as the scum who supply and use the stuff themselves.

Anyone who thinks otherwise seriously has problems.[/b]

Why?
What is your major problem with illicit drugs?

If it's got anything to do with "respecting your body" I sincerely hope you don't drink because you'd be setting yourself for a tar and feathering.

Just because a person chooses to use a particular arrangement of chemicals to feel a certain way for pleasure doesn't make a bad person. I will concede that there is cause for concern when addiction comes into the equation but what I've found is that the majority of people I know that "do drugs" are casual users, only doing them occasionally on nights out or in setting that suits them, myself included. Fair enough some people go a bit too far, but you can't judge everyone in one group on that merit.

Out of the two of us, you are obviously ignorant one in this particular instance.

By the way, I'm going to have a f***ing great time in Amsterdam next week.
 
The way I understand it, the Bath chaps have been accused of: starting a fight with Harlequins players at a London pub; taking drugs; and refusing to supply hair samples to the clubs investigators. Most delightfully, Justin "Plank" Harrison has pre-empted the results of the investigation and retired from rugby with immediate effect. He hopped on a plane to Australia after being knocked out by a Quins player during the fracas.

Just who might this heroic Quins biffster be? I suspect Nick Easter. If you recall, Easter was forced to withdraw from last year's tour of New Zealand after breaking his hand during a clash in the tunnel with Harrison in the fixture at Twickers against the Baa Baas. The duo have long detested each other. It is not beyond the realms of possibility that the gobby colonial turned up at the pub to start trouble with Easter and promptly found himself knocked into next week by our beefy Englishman.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Thingimubob @ Jun 11 2009, 09:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ali12 @ Jun 2 2009, 09:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Do you guys reckon Bath will be able to get in anyone decent to replace them? It would seem most clubs have got their transfer business done and dusted. Would like to see the Arscott brothers to replace Crockett and Higgins. That would give them enough options at centre with Cheeseman, Barkley, Hape, the Arscotts and Davis and also the Arscotts to cover fullback and wing.

Bath also need a ten to replace Butch James for the first half of the season, i know there have been rumours about Grant coming their way as well as Mercato, if they could get either of those i would be very happy as they need more than just Davis and i much prefer Barkley at 12 rather than 10.

In the forwards they look very, very weak at 7 with both Scaysbrook and Lipman going. Any suggestions? Maybe Guest off Harlequins? Am not really aware of any other available targets.

Also they need a replacement at lock for Harrison, personally i've got no real suggestions.[/b]

I'm sorry, what?

If you mean Luke and Tom Arscott, I think you'll fine they have recently signed extensions ro stay with Bris.

Hands Off!!

Oh and as for the whole Bath drugs thing, I find it hilarious.

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Mate...harsh
I know they're Bristol's Rivals and all, but still, it's not really funny that this has happened. It's the players fault, and it could prove to really hurt the club on and off the field, which is very sad considering Bath are quite a big name in club rugby. It also affects the reputation of the sport in general, neither the fans or player want Rugby to have the label of the 'druggie-sport'.
So just have a bit of sympathy mate, I mean you'd kick off if I said something like 'haha, I find it SO funny that Bristol got relagated' wouldn't you?
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Quite honestly, I would't kick off, it's not as if I can deny it. We were pants all last season and deserved it. My finding it funny is my personal opinion, if everyone else want to laugh at Bris for getting relagated, their opinion.

If they didn't want to tarnish rugby with their actions then they should have used their brains and thought about it.

The Bristol-Bath rivalry is more than local. It started in the 80's with Stuart Barnes, while the game was still ameteur, Bath payed Barnes to play for them, totally against the rules at the time and got away with it.
 
For the (unofficial) record, it was Danny Care who supposedly sparked out Harrison with a single punch.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (dundeesmiffy @ Jun 12 2009, 12:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Teh Mite @ Jun 12 2009, 07:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Sympathy for the use of ILLEGAL contraband as low and pathetic as the scum who supply and use the stuff themselves.

Anyone who thinks otherwise seriously has problems.[/b]

Why?
What is your major problem with illicit drugs?

If it's got anything to do with "respecting your body" I sincerely hope you don't drink because you'd be setting yourself for a tar and feathering.

Just because a person chooses to use a particular arrangement of chemicals to feel a certain way for pleasure doesn't make a bad person. I will concede that there is cause for concern when addiction comes into the equation but what I've found is that the majority of people I know that "do drugs" are casual users, only doing them occasionally on nights out or in setting that suits them, myself included. Fair enough some people go a bit too far, but you can't judge everyone in one group on that merit.

Out of the two of us, you are obviously ignorant one in this particular instance.

By the way, I'm going to have a f***ing great time in Amsterdam next week.
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Being as I have an uncle 6 foot under who is only in that predicament because of cocaine, and I may add that's after seeing him fall down to the lowest rungs of society or get himself locked up in jail because of it, I fin that tone, well... There's no way of putting this politely, a f***ing insult. He started out as a so-called "casual user". So don't lecture me on stuff like this, it's apparent I know a bit more on the issue then you, but you are far too arrogant in your desire to "be cool and have a buzz" to take on a case point.

And Coaine is illegal in Amsterdam BTW. So have fun.
 
I didn't say I'd be doing cocaine in Amsterdam, and I'll concur that cocaine is a ridiculous drug.

I too have an uncle who uses drugs and has a story similar to yours, not that I'm trying to draw a parallel but I can understand where you are coming from.

I see you've been personally affect by drug abuse and I can understand why you seem to take umbrage every time drugs are mentioned but there is no need in insulting everyone who's ever done/supplied/defended them. This is where you have shown yourself to be somewhat close-minded, although I will agree you are justified in the "why" you hate drugs how you go about it makes you sound like a tool.

A large group of people are casual users and yes, some of them fall into addiction but it's not always going to be case.
 
http://www.bathrugby.com/7849.php

Bath Rugby have been active in the recruitment market as we seek to bolster our squad for next season.
Although it is the off season - for Club rugby at least â€" it has been a busy time for Steve Meehan and others in the backroom team of late. Steve has been out of the country visiting his family in Australia but it has been very much a working holiday. He has been speaking to Bob Calleja and others in Bath every day to put together the new recruits we need for the squad ahead of the forthcoming season.

Certainly there has been no shortage of quality players interested in joining the Club but it is imperative that they are not just accomplished players but also right for the way we want to play the game.

If all continues to plan we anticipate starting to announce signings within the next few days.

________________________________________________________________________________
Phew, at least there will be replacements :bravo:
 
That may be, but he can't be any worse than having no 7s whatsoever who arent in the academy. Any signing is a good signing at the moment imo
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (dundeesmiffy @ Jun 12 2009, 11:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
Why?
What is your major problem with illicit drugs?

If it's got anything to do with "respecting your body" I sincerely hope you don't drink because you'd be setting yourself for a tar and feathering.

Just because a person chooses to use a particular arrangement of chemicals to feel a certain way for pleasure doesn't make a bad person. I will concede that there is cause for concern when addiction comes into the equation but what I've found is that the majority of people I know that "do drugs" are casual users, only doing them occasionally on nights out or in setting that suits them, myself included. Fair enough some people go a bit too far, but you can't judge everyone in one group on that merit.

Out of the two of us, you are obviously ignorant one in this particular instance.

By the way, I'm going to have a f***ing great time in Amsterdam next week.[/b]

This has nothing to do with being a bad person, the simple fact of the matter is these are professional sportsmen who have a role in society as well as for their club.

They are role models for young people who aspire to be like them. For that reason alone they shouldn't do drugs.

They are employed professionally by a club who want these players to be in perfect condition for the games they play, so doing illegal drugs is a ridiculous thing to do.

And as well as you have stated, they are illegal.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (bristol-iain @ Jun 12 2009, 03:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Thingimubob @ Jun 11 2009, 09:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (bristol-iain @ Jun 11 2009, 07:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ali12 @ Jun 2 2009, 09:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Do you guys reckon Bath will be able to get in anyone decent to replace them? It would seem most clubs have got their transfer business done and dusted. Would like to see the Arscott brothers to replace Crockett and Higgins. That would give them enough options at centre with Cheeseman, Barkley, Hape, the Arscotts and Davis and also the Arscotts to cover fullback and wing.

Bath also need a ten to replace Butch James for the first half of the season, i know there have been rumours about Grant coming their way as well as Mercato, if they could get either of those i would be very happy as they need more than just Davis and i much prefer Barkley at 12 rather than 10.

In the forwards they look very, very weak at 7 with both Scaysbrook and Lipman going. Any suggestions? Maybe Guest off Harlequins? Am not really aware of any other available targets.

Also they need a replacement at lock for Harrison, personally i've got no real suggestions.[/b]

I'm sorry, what?

If you mean Luke and Tom Arscott, I think you'll fine they have recently signed extensions ro stay with Bris.

Hands Off!!

Oh and as for the whole Bath drugs thing, I find it hilarious.

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Mate...harsh
I know they're Bristol's Rivals and all, but still, it's not really funny that this has happened. It's the players fault, and it could prove to really hurt the club on and off the field, which is very sad considering Bath are quite a big name in club rugby. It also affects the reputation of the sport in general, neither the fans or player want Rugby to have the label of the 'druggie-sport'.
So just have a bit of sympathy mate, I mean you'd kick off if I said something like 'haha, I find it SO funny that Bristol got relagated' wouldn't you?
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Quite honestly, I would't kick off, it's not as if I can deny it. We were pants all last season and deserved it. My finding it funny is my personal opinion, if everyone else want to laugh at Bris for getting relagated, their opinion.

If they didn't want to tarnish rugby with their actions then they should have used their brains and thought about it.

The Bristol-Bath rivalry is more than local. It started in the 80's with Stuart Barnes, while the game was still ameteur, Bath payed Barnes to play for them, totally against the rules at the time and got away with it.
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I'm not saying that you're not entitled to your opinion or anything, but just try to put it in a way that doesn;t **** off other members is what I'm trying to say ;) we are a friendly forum here...well sometimes anyway :p
 
Only Bath would sign an utter pleb like Watson. Let's hope he receives a Neil Best special.
 
RFU charge Lipman, Crockett, Higgins and Harrison with taking banned substances and ingnoring crug tests.
 
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Four former Bath players will face a Rugby Football Union (RFU) disciplinary panel charged with conduct prejudicial to the interests of the game.

Michael Lipman, Alex Crockett, Andrew Higgins and Justin Harrison will face the panel on a date yet to be decided.

The quartet will all answer charges including taking prohibited substances and refusing to take a drugs test.

The trio of Lipman, 29, Crockett and Higgins, both 27, have denied claims they refused to provide samples.

The RFU's announcement comes two weeks after club captains Lipman and Crockett, along with Higgins, walked out of Bath in protest at claims they avoided drug tests on three occasions in the aftermath of an end-of-season party.

They were due to face an internal hearing at Bath but quit before it commenced, saying "scurrilous and unsubstantiated allegations" had forced their exit.

Former Australia international Harrison, 35, announced his retirement from the game on 20 May in the wake of stories alluding to an incident a west London bar on the night of Bath's end-of-season party.

The RFU has continued its investigations into the affair and now believes there is a case to answer.
BBC Sport[/b]
 
Im telling you now, there are far more players than these 4 who are on drugs at Bath. There is no reason for them all to get up and leave the club without a valid reason, especially the two vice-captains!

Sad state of affairs but they will be found guilty, I have no doubt about that.
 
http://www.thisisbath.co.uk/sport/signings...il/article.html

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Bath Rugby head coach Steve Meehan is hoping that three more new signings will have committed themselves to the club by the end of this week.

The club announced at the weekend that controversial Springbok back-rower Luke Watson would be joining the squad once his Currie Cup commitments with current side Western Province finish in early November.

And Australian flanker Julian Salvi, 23, could join him after being strongly linked with a move to The Rec this week after executing an option in his contract to leave the Canberra-based Brumbies.

Meehan would not confirm any names but is keeping his fingers crossed replacements for departed co-captains Michael Lipman and Alex Crockett and the long-term injured Butch James will be in place swiftly.

He said: "In a perfect world we have three to go â€" another back- rower, a fly-half and an outside back.

"We've agreed two, we are just waiting for signed contracts or visas to come through and we should have a clearer view regarding the third, I hope, by late Friday.

"We will not release any information until everything is signed off but we are confident that it'll all work out and be public soon. We must also take into account when the arriving player wants it to be released."

Should Salvi indeed come to the West Country, then Bath â€" in the space of a week â€" will arguably go from having one of the most vulnerable back rows in the Guinness Premiership to one of the most potent.

The exits of Lipman and James Scaysbrook from The Rec and number eight Daniel Browne's long- term foot injury had made Bath's loose forward contingent look weak, notwithstanding the imminent arrival of Saracens' Ben Skirving.

But Watson's signing, and speculation of Salvi's arrival, suggest that Meehan is determined to assemble a formidable back row.

As well as captaining Western Province and the Stormers in the Super 14 tournament, Watson has also skippered the South African Schools, under-19 and under-21 teams, as well as the Springbok Sevens.

He has 10 full caps for South Africa but is not part of the Springbok squad to face the Lions.

But he is a highly controversial figure in his home country, principally due to his outspoken political views.

The 25-year-old, whose father Cheeky Watson was a rugby-playing anti-apartheid activist, has not played internationally since saying it was a struggle "to keep myself from vomiting" on the Springbok shirt.

But his past does not trouble Meehan, who is looking forward to working with his newest recruit in the autumn.

"All of our players are encouraged to express their views about our training and playing," said Meehan.

"Of course, their opinion carries greater weight if they are always putting in.

"If he feels he can add to our progress as a team then great, he will be here to play well for Bath.

"He's shown some courage in the past and that's a great quality."

Meehan added: "We are very happy to have him arriving at Bath, even though we may have to wait until November. We are certain he will have a huge impact.

"Our discussions have been very straightforward and neither of us is in any doubt of the way Bath play their rugby and the responsibilities he will inherit.

"He's been a very good performer at Currie Cup, Super 14 and international level, and, at 25, he's had plenty of playing and leadership experience.

"He's always looking to win ball in the tackle and he's a real competitor. Fit and powerful, he'll suit our game."

Watson, who captained Western Province in their 26-23 defeat to the British Lions last Saturday, said: "Joining Bath at the end of hopefully a successful Vodacom WP season represents a new beginning and an opportunity to grow and experience the game in the top echelons of Northern Hemisphere rugby.

"Whilst obviously sad to be leaving Western Province, where I have enjoyed my time immensely, I am looking forward to the new challenge that this opportunity will bring."[/b]

Good news for Bath Rugby. If Salvi does end up signing then it sets us up for an awesome back row next season. Maybe this clearout will end up being not such a bad thing for the club... <_<
 

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