Cockerill Ban amended

[Getofmeland]

So the RFU have effectively reduced Cockerill's ban in the regular season to 7 games, by allowing 2 pre-season friendlies to be included in the Ban...

Personally its a bit of a joke, it should be competitive games not friendlies... Typical Tigers twisting the RFU around their finger!!!

 

[SelimNiai]

Bill Shatner says it best

Thanks Bill.

 

[Twebby]

So having already bent over backwards to accommodate Leicester's timing issues, allowing them to delay in order to use the legal team they want AND having heard Cockerill say he doesn't really care about being banned...

...Tiggers are effectively still shown leniency.

The RFU disciplinary process strikes again.

 

[Tony Manx]

Right
F*****
Unocks!!!

This organisation is enormous and seems to employ more people (and more incompetent than most) than actually play the game and all at extraordinary salaries!

It is every bit as bad as the public service in the UK where, even after some Tory small attempts at reform, jobs for the boys, huge pay offs and gold plated pensions are the norm!!

 

[SuperEagle]

At least this is finally over with. I find it just ridiculous that Cockerill's gob gets more attention than the way that the Tigers dismantled Saints in the final despite playing most of the match without our captain.

It's time to move on people...

 

[Feicarsinn]

They should confiscate the last 5 letters of his name. That'd sort him out.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

At least this is finally over with. I find it just ridiculous that Cockerill's gob gets more attention than the way that the Tigers dismantled Saints in the final despite playing most of the match without our captain.

It's time to move on people...

As opposed to Saints who....

It shouldn't be over with as he is scum incarnate. The sooner Cockerill is out of the sport the better, frankly.

 

[ratsapprentice]

This would have been over a while ago had Tigers not appealed the ban.

 

[Twebby]

At least this is finally over with. I find it just ridiculous that Cockerill's gob gets more attention than the way that the Tigers dismantled Saints in the final despite playing most of the match without our captain.

It's time to move on people...

Agree that everyone would have moved on a long time ago if Leicester had just accepted that Cockerill was in the wrong. Ironically, had he held his hands up to acting like a bit of a *** he probably wouldn't have had as long a sentence and would likely have missed very few games.

I would also argue that our 14 men were hardly "dismantled" and that we actually played a lot of the better rugby in the final, just running out of steam as you can't match a team as physical as Tigers for that long being a man down.

 

[ratsapprentice]

"I also want to make the point that I did not abuse any officials. Everybody seems to keep writing that I was banned for abusing the officials when in fact I was banned for using foul and abusive language."

http://www1.skysports.com/rugby-uni...kerill-rfu-must-enforce-similar-swearing-bans

JUST SHUT UP RICHARD. WE WATCHED WHAT YOU DID LIVE!

 

[Tony Manx]

JUST SHUT UP RICHARD. WE WATCHED WHAT YOU DID LIVE!

The one eyed monster of Leicster does not have any ears left so cannot hear you but worth a shout!!

 

[Tony Manx]

I see the "Holy One" of Leicester now believes that "He that shall be obeyed and can do no effing wrong" should have been consulted before the scrum rule changes and that is dangerous for the ball to be put in straight for hookers to actually hook as "they have no training" to hook the ball. It also means that the hooker has a leg off the ground facing an 8 man push.................not if the other hooker tries to hook too idiot!!

One does asketh why he does not keep his largish mouth firmly shutted or whyeth his board doth not tell him to shut the **** up...............................

 

[ratsapprentice]

The attitude he holds (which is shared by a great many Tigers fans) is one of the reasons why I found myself being unwilling to support Leicester a couple of years ago.
Yes they are the preeminent rugby club in England, but the world does not revolve around them.

 

[Peat]

I see the "Holy One" of Leicester now believes that "He that shall be obeyed and can do no effing wrong" should have been consulted before the scrum rule changes and that is dangerous for the ball to be put in straight for hookers to actually hook as "they have no training" to hook the ball. It also means that the hooker has a leg off the ground facing an 8 man push.................not if the other hooker tries to hook too idiot!!

One does asketh why he does not keep his largish mouth firmly shutted or whyeth his board doth not tell him to shut the **** up...............................

While he is whinging somewhat, he does have a point in that scrum coaches at elite clubs don't seem to have been consulted when they should have been. He also has a point that we will see plenty of scrums go for the 8 man push and try to drive the opposition back and over the ball instead of competing for the strike; we know that is a common reaction from the days when hookers actually had to push.

 

[ratsapprentice]

I see that as a perfectly legitimate tactic though, far more so than collapsing on losing the hit anyway.
It's true that a lot of the time one side will simply go for an 8 man drive, but that is preferable to the non-competition it has been for the last 10 years.
If it leads to more scrums being completed on the first put-in then I will be happy, so far I have been enjoying more scrums than I was previously and I only expect it to improve.

 

[Peat]

I see that as a perfectly legitimate tactic though, far more so than collapsing on losing the hit anyway.
It's true that a lot of the time one side will simply go for an 8 man drive, but that is preferable to the non-competition it has been for the last 10 years.
If it leads to more scrums being completed on the first put-in then I will be happy, so far I have been enjoying more scrums than I was previously and I only expect it to improve.

So you'd agree TonyManx is being quite hyperbolic to call Cockerill an idiot for bringing up this likely evolution?

Tony, have you got a link to this particular story, one I'd seen before was a lot more general and didn't include any comments on the hookers' role.

 

[smartcooky]

I see the "Holy One" of Leicester now believes that "He that shall be obeyed and can do no effing wrong" should have been consulted before the scrum rule changes and that is dangerous for the ball to be put in straight for hookers to actually hook as "they have no training" to hook the ball. It also means that the hooker has a leg off the ground facing an 8 man push.................not if the other hooker tries to hook too idiot!!

One does asketh why he does not keep his largish mouth firmly shutted or whyeth his board doth not tell him to shut the **** up...............................

Holy Crap, this Cockerill is an a arrogant *** to be suggesting that somehow, the English Premiership is some be-all-and-end-all that must be consulted about anything to do with Laws. I think he seriously misunderstands the status of the Premiership in all of this. The relationship is...

1. the IRB tells the RFU what they will do.
2. The RFU tells the PRL what they will do.
3. The PRL does what it's bloody well told!

Cockerill and his fellow Premiership coaches are at the bottom of the chain, not the top. The game of Rugby Union is run by its world governing body, NOT by the Premiership coaches, like what happens in Wendyball. As Nigel Owens once said...."this is not Soccer!!"

As for Dean Richards, well its a bit rich for him, of all people, to be moralising on respecting the laws of the game!!!

 

[ratsapprentice]

Not really, I think Cockerill's an idiot for suggesting that the scrums were fine as they were.
He is pretty much the only person to have commented on the changes who has not accepted that change is necessary.
I can see why he'd be irked about not having been consulted, but again, he is the only coach I have seen to have complained about it.

 

[Patchey]

Can we rename this threat 'Cockerill Watch'?

Cockerill has almost become a parody of himself. A few years ago I could just about accept that idea of him being 'controversial' or 'outspoken' but his continual spouting of idiotic and arrogant opinions has just turned him into a full on gobsh*te. Its like he's sat down and thought 'What will people expect me to do to embarrass myself in this situation?' and then done his best not only to meet but to surpass those expectations.

One point regarding this little outburst. In the article I read he seemed to suggest that the requirement to feed straight was a new law rather than simply the enforcement of an existing law and, bizarrely, it was Brian Moore's constant compaints about scrums/feeding while commentating that had lead to the new rules. Seeing as Moore has been banging on about scrums almost since he started commentating and yet it has taken so long for a change in the rules I find that quite hard to believe.

 

[Peat]

Smartcooky - So you think there's no mileage at all in getting the views of the guys who spend the most time thinking about how the current laws affect the scrum in terms of what to do i.e. top level scrummaging coaches?

Rats, didn't ask if you thought he was an idiot in general, simply that specific point.

edit: In fairness, non-enforcement of feeding straight has been going on so long that reintroducing it is to all practical extents and purposes a new law.