Boxing Thread

[GarethGriffiths]

A bit of a farce, but not a bad fight.

Once McGregor failed to take Mayweather down in the first four rounds, it was always going to be a hard task to win.

McGregor can, at least, fall back on some good earnings and know that despite his lost he put a decent shift in against a very tough opponent.

 

[munstermuffin]

If saying he won't unify the interim and lw belts isn't refusing fights then I don't know what is.
No denying he'll make more cash vs diaz, and fair play to him, but he's still refusing fights vs rightful contenders to take that fight. If he's only about big money exhibition fights then he should vacate the ***le and let people who care about it fight for it.
"If you're fit to fight and you're not going to fight, the belt rightfully should be stripped". In conor's own words he should have been stripped of his ***le the day the Mayweather fight was announced.

That is my point. He hasn't refused the fight because the UFC haven't asked him to defend a ***le. I'm sure he would defend if told he had to but UFC want to maximise too. My point is It all money now

 

[TRF_Olyy]

They created the interim then he's said no to fighting the winner.
The whole point of the interim is guaranteeing the ***le shot, which is now not going to happen. They're going to have to active belts in play in the same division. Either they strip the interim as soon as they make it or they strip Conor, which they won't do. Most likely is that they'll beg Conor to fight Diaz at welterweight again, and have the interim champ fight Khabib on the same card (the one on Dec 30).


I know it's all money, I've never once said it's not money, I'm saying it's making Conor look like a **** and a terrible sportsman. Fine for him but **** for fans of the sport and every other fighter on the roster.

 

[munstermuffin]

True but I think the belts aren't as lucrative now as payday in UFC. Guys calling out McGregor like Khabib don't care about belt. They want to be in that top pay bracket. For example say McGregor dropped belt and in next card it was Khabib vs Ferguson (For ***le) and Diaz vs McGregor. Which fight would get more money and be the headline by a distance. UFC is the victim of creating its own monster. ***les are good but majority of money is in guys like McGregor or Diaz who chat crap in build up. Yes three people who watch fights and style closely etc but that a minority sadly.

 

[Cruz_del_Sur]

Conor hasn't exactly refused to fight anyone more (and UFC are of same thinking) he want to cash in as much as he can.

I understand that might sound reasonable, but just picture if Barcelona said "this Sunday we ain't playing. I mean, how much money does Alaves have?"
Imagine if Federer/Nadal refused to play against other players because of the cash differential.

Boxing/mma is nothing short of insane in that sense.

 

[pagliaccio_euforico]

I understand that might sound reasonable, but just picture if Barcelona said "this Sunday we ain't playing. I mean, how much money does Alaves have?"
Imagine if Federer/Nadal refused to play against other players because of the cash differential.

Boxing/mma is nothing short of insane in that sense.

Agreed. Holding the ***le and not accepting challengers is ridiculous.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Khabib specifically cares about the belt and not the money, actually. He's said on multiple occasions that he's set for life monetarily, He cares about the glory of being a world champion.

 

[munstermuffin]

I understand that might sound reasonable, but just picture if Barcelona said "this Sunday we ain't playing. I mean, how much money does Alaves have?"
Imagine if Federer/Nadal refused to play against other players because of the cash differential.

Boxing/mma is nothing short of insane in that sense.

But I'm not denying it. More the UFC are of same mindset as McGregor. Make the most money, forget about belts.
I'm not saying it's right just that is the way it has gone. Also Cruz it different scenario as in your cases it is competitions where further you go decides the money you make not 1 off games. If it was 1 off games like international friendlies it's the same story. Barcelona play in Qatar, Brazil and Argentina have been noted to turn down top opposition in friendlies over big paydays against weaker countries.
Even in rugby All Blacks didn't play England as price wasn't right. Again not defending it but the fact is it is way things are going.

@Olyy - I think Khabib does want the payday too. Yes the ***le may mean something but if he is a World Champ but not seen as the big draw in the division then that is the issue for guys. Again not saying it right but it the fact.

 

[McTallshort]

I understand that might sound reasonable, but just picture if Barcelona said "this Sunday we ain't playing. I mean, how much money does Alaves have?"
Imagine if Federer/Nadal refused to play against other players because of the cash differential.

Boxing/mma is nothing short of insane in that sense.

Not really you cannot think of Boxing as a sport like Tennis of soccer. All sports are structured differently and in most professional sports money is a big factor also in boxing you have several governing bodies with different ***les. Boxing isn't called prize fighting for no reason, there has to be just reward for a fighter to step into a ring.

Take Tyson Fury for example: He defeated VK and won 4 belts all from different bodies. Now one of those bodies (the IBF I think) enforced the mandatory fight that the champion of that belt (Tyson Fury) had to take but Fury had a rematch clause in the VK fight contract so he had to refuse to fight mandatory challenger so he was stripped of the belt.

With the examples you have listed Barca play as part of an agreed league structure and Tennis has a series of grand slams that again the players all sign up to. There is something like this in boxing occasionally where several fighters agree to fight over a set time but its not common.

DOnt forget a fighter has to train for at least 8 weeks for a single fight this is not something that a footballer or tennis player has to do.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

If Khabib just wanted a paycheque he'd walk out on his contract and go crush cans in the Russian organisations for millions. They're all propped up by oligarchs and/or Russian mafia and have no problem paying big bucks to their stars - fedor was rumoured to be getting 3m per fight.
Bigfoot is getting a ton of cash and he's barely a draw and gets knocked out every fight.

 

[munstermuffin]

If Khabib just wanted a paycheque he'd walk out on his contract and go crush cans in the Russian organisations for millions. They're all propped up by oligarchs and/or Russian mafia and have no problem paying big bucks to their stars - fedor was rumoured to be getting 3m per fight.
Bigfoot is getting a ton of cash and he's barely a draw and gets knocked out every fight.

But if it's just for the fights - Why is he just aiming at McGregor. And don't say just because of ***le. He wants to be the big name. And look that not a bad thing either. As I said these guys want to be at the top. But the top is basically who is the big name not who has the ***le.
Like if you ask many Brock Lesnar is the big name in heavyweight still despite not being active and not being dominant in last few fights he had before going.

 

[Cruz_del_Sur]

Why is he just aiming at McGregor

Honestly, because it looks like a low hanging fruit. Khabib, stylewise, is the worst possible opponent for mcg.

Mcg has had a few stellar moments, credit were credit is due, but he's been quite lucky too.

I cant think of another fighter that cherry picked opponents the way he did in mma.

I do not get what is so complicated about this: you are the champion of a division in an organization. The organization, within reason, tells you who, when and where to fight. If you do not, you should lose the belt, end off. This is not rocket science.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

But if it's just for the fights - Why is he just aiming at McGregor. And don't say just because of ***le.

Why can't I say that? It's the reason.
He kept calling out Alvarez before him RDA before him and Pettis before that. He wants the ***le fight.

 

[Bada-Bing!]

I think a separate UFC thread is required for McGregor discussion.

Onto proper boxing: GGG v Alvarez. Predictions?

 

[Sixways Cheryl]

I think a separate UFC thread is required for McGregor discussion.

Onto proper boxing: GGG v Alvarez. Predictions?

For it to be a lot more competitive than Mayweather v McGregor was!

 

[Rich Taff]

Looking forward to Parker (hopefully) knocking out Fury 'lite'.

 

[Sixways Cheryl]

Looking forward to Parker (hopefully) knocking out Fury 'lite'.

I was going to watch this until I saw they were charging £10 to stream it on YouTube.

 

[McTallshort]

Looking forward to Parker (hopefully) knocking out Fury 'lite'.

I want Fury to win. It will send the messsage that you can become world Champion even with a touch of downs

 

[Bada-Bing!]

I was going to watch this until I saw they were charging £10 to stream it on YouTube.

£15.

 

[Bada-Bing!]

BBC reporting around 6,500 tickets sold for the fight at Manchester arena out of a capacity of 21,000. A far cry from the 90,000 at AJ v Klitschko. Parker's camp said to have wanted at least 8000 tickets sold. Goes to show how unknown at the most moment this heavyweight champion is outside NZ.

Either fighter has got to put on a clinic tonight if they want to make waves and raise their profile considerably in the heavyweight division. Shame this fight was not on normal tv or Sky. But £15 just to watch is a big ask.