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A Political Thread pt. 2

Campbell and Stewart are pretty much where Labour are right now anyway. If want just left of Labour there's Lib Dem and if you want a couple of more steps there's Green.

No need for a "3rd" major party left of Labour
 
the three of them are more right wing than Rory Stewart. As someone who votes to the left what a PM we missed out on with him. I'm secretly praying that he and Alistair Campbell are setting up a new party to replace labour as a centre/centre left powerhouse
They do a good podcast
 
Campbell and Stewart are pretty much where Labour are right now anyway. If want just left of Labour there's Lib Dem and if you want a couple of more steps there's Green.

No need for a "3rd" major party left of Labour
Actually, listening to them RS says almost verbatim that he's basically where the LDs are and AC discusses getting more left as he's getting older and critisises some of the gov's policies instead of being pro labour for labours' sake
 
Going to swing into the conversation a bit late here but I don't think it's productive to label those voting Reform as racist. It's too easy and yes, it does push people away. Are they more racist than the others? Definitely. However I'd say more Reform voters are xenophobic than racist. The 2 often overlap but they aren't the same.

It has been repeated all through history that more extreme groups rise up during times of hardship and exploit people's anger and frustrations, and there is more anger and frustration in the UK now than I can think of any other time in my life (admittedly mid 30's so not that long). Right wing propaganda has unfortunately done a much better job of getting into people's heads than left wing stuff, the overton window has jolted to the right. The mere suggestion of anything approaching socialism is immediately dismissed yet political parties are more and more embracing corporate cronyism and nationalism.

We often hear about how it's the job of the left wing to tone down the language or reach for compromise. It's about what the left must give up to satisfy the right. What have Republicans in the States or Tories/Reform here ever been asked to compromise on?

Having said that, I also know how annoying it is to be lazily labelled something by someone who just wants to be right. I had a "discussion" with someone a while back about sexism in workplaces. I work in engineering, which is still very male dominated. The woman I was talking with had the attitude that the fact few women are in engineering MUST be because engineering is sexist and engineers are sexist pigs who mistreat them. I said I've never witnessed anything even remotely approaching sexist behaviour among any of the engineers I worked with. The response was of course not, because I'm a man and probably sexist myself so blind to all this rampant sexism surrounding me that I likely perpetuate. The fact said woman had never been in an engineering course at uni and never set foot in any engineering firms didn't matter, as a woman she knew more about my industry than I did, as if there is this collective knowledge that is passed around. The fact I had been involved in a voluntary program specifically intended to get more girls engaged with engineering and into the industry didn't matter a jot. I was a sexist pig and that was that.

Suffice to say such attitudes make you want to respond with a big "**** you" and then refuse to support any things they may have said that could have been remotely valid.
 
Farage seems to be having the same effect that Boris Johnson had when he became Tory leader. After Theresa May there is no denying that the increased Tory majority was mostly down to Boris. I can't for the life of me see what the appeal is but have to acknowledge that they are both very effective campaigners (Farage in particular is a brilliant communicator) and that many people, particularly the casual/disengaged voter, are drawn to them and get sucked in by them. I always felt that Boris would make a terrible PM and I think the same about Farage. Before the GE I watched him struggle badly when the interviewer tore the Reform manifesto to shreds pointing out some glaring holes in their finances. He's a grifter, a charlatan and someone who can talk a good game but will 100% get found out when he has to walk the talk. Expect him to become Trump's lapdog with relations with the EU deteriorating significantly.

I really hope the media run lots of opinion polls on the performance of Reform councilors because they are untested when it comes to governing and voters need to be aware of how they have done at a local level before the next GE. Worryingly Farage is now the bookies favourite to become the next PM in 2028.
 
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I think if you look at the performances of reform MPs, it's clear they aren't going to do the job they were elected to do. They'll use their position to try to get TV time and engage in culture wars.

They are basically trolls.

Also expect Farage to abandon his constituency and hop across the pond whenever Trump needs him to do some paid cheerleading before the mid terms etc.
 
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