A Political Thread pt. 2

[dirty harry]

I've already explained why.

I'm not sure if it's malicious with you. It could well just be ignorance to be fair.

No you havnt, you called me a daily mail reading misogynist, but at no point have you detailed why it's misogynistic.

This is literal nonsense, she's participated in ripping benefits away from marginalised and disabled people, she's put the elderly at risk by removing their support to warm their homes, she's put thousands of charities at risk with the NI contribution rise, there has been dozens of job losses at my company alone, and I know the 3rd sector is being decimated, child poverty is on the rise, with a sharp increase over the last 12 months...

With all this in mind, with the absolute war on the poor by the Labour Party, calling a key figure in this 'Rachel from accounts' is hardly a major crime, and frankly, it's meaningless drivel.

 

[Which Tyler]

Keir Starmer orders UK economic reset amid Donald Trump’s tariff mayhem

PM ready to ditch ‘old assumptions’ and is debating possible changes to fiscal rules to boost growth

www.theguardian.com

 

[dirty harry]

For a Labour chancellor to increase E'ers NI is just a weird one though. Especially lowering the threshold from which is starts. All it will do is make more employers not hire lower skilled jobs and force more into self -employment. Aren't Labour supposed to be for the working people?

They promised no tax hikes, this is a defacto tax hike that allowed them to make the claim they havnt raised taxes... which Starmer is now saying might have to happen.

 

[dirty harry]

Keir Starmer orders UK economic reset amid Donald Trump’s tariff mayhem

PM ready to ditch ‘old assumptions’ and is debating possible changes to fiscal rules to boost growth

www.theguardian.com

"The prime minister believes, say allies, that "old assumptions should be discarded" in the UK's response, suggesting he and the chancellor, Rachel Reeves, may be preparing to raise taxes again – despite having promised not to do so"

I mean, it was probably coming anyway, but the double whammy is hard to swallow. Never let a good crisis go to waste.

 

[Bada-Bing!]

They promised no tax hikes, this is a defacto tax hike that allowed them to make the claim they havnt raised taxes... which Starmer is now saying might have to happen.

They promised not to increase Income tax, NIC or VAT. It was a big fat lie as E'er's NI is a big part of NICs. Just employees won't see it deducted from their pay packet, but is a cost of employment. The other thing it will do is lead to more outsourcing of lower skilled compliance jobs to overseas countries such as India and Pakistan.

 

[McTallshort]

Keir Starmer orders UK economic reset amid Donald Trump’s tariff mayhem

PM ready to ditch ‘old assumptions’ and is debating possible changes to fiscal rules to boost growth

www.theguardian.com

I can see why they are considering this. The world has changed massively since Labour were elected and they might have to do some things they didn't want or promised not too. I'm still not convinced by Reeves, I think she's hoping it will fall into place but given what the Americans are doing it's only going to get worse.

We haven't had a decent economy since before 2008, austerity has gutted the public sector and left us vulnerable to both cyber and military action and America seems to have decided that despite being the richest country in the world everyone is ripping them off and the nuclear option on world trade is preferred to the status quo.

I don't have the answers and perhaps there aren't any but I just I want to earn enough to pay the bills, save for retirement, go on the odd holiday and occasionally go fishing and I would like they same for my kids but we seem to be surrounded by people in power who just don't want that and what's more important is their ego and wealth accumulation but we all seem distracted with immigrants, transgender toilets,supposed freedom of speech violations and benefit cheats to do anything about it. Feel pretty powerless at the minute

 

[ncurd]

but we all seem distracted with immigrants, transgender toilets,supposed freedom of speech violations and benefit cheats to do anything about it. Feel pretty powerless at the minute

The right wing has made absolute hay of creating a bogey man out culture wars (it's a standard playbook). But creating the myth social progressives care ore about that the standard person in the street. When in reality they care about everyone who is marginalised or worse off. But the myth is about caring about one group more than others.

 

[McTallshort]

The right wing has made absolute hay of creating a bogey man out culture wars (it's a standard playbook). But creating the myth social progressives care ore about that the standard person in the street. When in reality they care about everyone who is marginalised or worse off. But the myth is about caring about one group more than others.

Yeah that's true but everyone seemed pretty clueless how to react to it and the culture war crap was pushed from Left first before the massive and money making reaction from the right. All of which means **** all to a self employed bloke in his very late 40s who just wants to get on in life.

 

[Saintjay]

The right wing has made absolute hay of creating a bogey man out culture wars (it's a standard playbook). But creating the myth social progressives care ore about that the standard person in the street. When in reality they care about everyone who is marginalised or worse off. But the myth is about caring about one group more than others.

Whether this Labour government care about those worse off and marginalised is debatable.

I do think people have real and worrying concerns. Until people actually listen to them and address them. You'll just get more Reform, Trump etc. If you are in Southshields,poor, unemployed on benefits it's probably hard to see how life's good and your not ignored.

 

[ncurd]

Whether this Labour government care about those worse off and marginalised is debatable.

I agree but they ain't doing **** for immigrants or trans folks either. Reality is we know finances are ****** it doesn't help person at the bottom. This governments grand plan appears to blown up (foreign investment pushing growth in building infrstatucture like energy) by Trump deciding he wants the whole world in a resession and inflation. For some reason I can't quite fathom other that a very stupid view of economics work.

I wish I had an idea tax and spend looks like the only method left.

 

[dirty harry]

They promised not to increase Income tax, NIC or VAT. It was a big fat lie as E'er's NI is a big part of NICs. Just employees won't see it deducted from their pay packet, but is a cost of employment. The other thing it will do is lead to more outsourcing of lower skilled compliance jobs to overseas countries such as India and Pakistan.

100%! I've seen it happen within days, not just the redundancies, but the outsourcing.

 

[dirty harry]

I can see why they are considering this. The world has changed massively since Labour were elected and they might have to do some things they didn't want or promised not too. I'm still not convinced by Reeves, I think she's hoping it will fall into place but given what the Americans are doing it's only going to get worse.

We haven't had a decent economy since before 2008, austerity has gutted the public sector and left us vulnerable to both cyber and military action and America seems to have decided that despite being the richest country in the world everyone is ripping them off and the nuclear option on world trade is preferred to the status quo.

I don't have the answers and perhaps there aren't any but I just I want to earn enough to pay the bills, save for retirement, go on the odd holiday and occasionally go fishing and I would like they same for my kids but we seem to be surrounded by people in power who just don't want that and what's more important is their ego and wealth accumulation but we all seem distracted with immigrants, transgender toilets,supposed freedom of speech violations and benefit cheats to do anything about it. Feel pretty powerless at the minute

I agree with 99% of this, I would only add the freedom of speech issue as a reduction of rights and not the distraction, because the ability to call out the distraction will deteriorate

 

[ncurd]

Yeah that's true but everyone seemed pretty clueless how to react to it and the culture war crap was pushed from Left first before the massive and money making reaction from the right. All of which means **** all to a self employed bloke in his very late 40s who just wants to get on in life.

I think in other countries (not this one we had the Tories in charge) that with Obama there was a great breakthrough on diversity. That these topics could be talked about more freely that society had opened up to those minorities and they should be talked about more. That unfortunately was turned back on them as those at the bottom still weren't getting richer.

(I still think we're doing pretty good here same sex marriage isn't going away for instance, we've just taken steps backwards)

 

[dirty harry]

The right wing has made absolute hay of creating a bogey man out culture wars (it's a standard playbook). But creating the myth social progressives care ore about that the standard person in the street. When in reality they care about everyone who is marginalised or worse off. But the myth is about caring about one group more than others.

The only change here I would add is changing 'right wing' with 'governments'. The right wing is a bogey man also

 

[dirty harry]

It's not debatable, slashing the fuel payment,

Whether this Labour government care about those worse off and marginalised is debatable.

I do think people have real and worrying concerns. Until people actually listen to them and address them. You'll just get more Reform, Trump etc. If you are in Southshields,poor, unemployed on benefits it's probably hard to see how life's good and your not ignored.

It's not debatable, slashing benefits for disabled people, winter payments for the old, and refusing to allow charities to be exempt from the NI uptake is a clear message the poor have to pay for both GB energy and nationalisation of transport. They couldn't be more clear if they stated it outright!

 

[McTallshort]

I agree with 99% of this, I would only add the freedom of speech issue as a reduction of rights and not the distraction, because the ability to call out the distraction will deteriorate

It is a distraction because it's ******** and just there to get people angry about nothing.

 

[ncurd]

It is a distraction because it's ******** and just there to get people angry about nothing.

If we were talking less freedom of speech and more curbs on freedoms to protest I'd agree with him.

Meanwhile free speech absolutionist Kimi Badenoch LOTO proves how much it is a distraction and why she really doesn't care about it.

 

[ncurd]

It's not debatable, slashing the fuel payment,
It's not debatable, slashing benefits for disabled people, winter payments for the old, and refusing to allow charities to be exempt from the NI uptake is a clear message the poor have to pay for both GB energy and nationalisation of transport. They couldn't be more clear if they stated it outright!

This is where you are foolish.

The fuel payment sorry many many pensioners don't need it, it should ofnalways been for those on state pensions and barely other means.

Paying forn GB Energy and Nationalisation of trbasporr? Those are are probably Labours only two good ideas.

 

[ncurd]

From the energy sector to the railways to the post office. It's pretty obvious privatisation has been a massive failure in which business owners now creme off the profits of failing services when it should be the governement coffers.

 

[AlRums]

I agree with 99% of this, I would only add the freedom of speech issue as a reduction of rights and not the distraction, because the ability to call out the distraction will deteriorate

Bloody hell, you agree with someone? Has hell just frozen over?