A Political Thread pt. 2

[Welsh Exile]

Talk aboutna tax rise, Starmer seems to be chomping at the bit to get his belly rubbed by Trump, him and Rachel from accounts are seemingly preparing a 180 on no tax hike claim in the UK (even though they have been doing so).

I said before for Trump's plan to work it needs the first domino to fall early, if that's Starmer I'll be fuming

Rachel from accounts. Are you from a daily mail comments section? Misogynistic much?

 

[dirty harry]

No mate, what's dishonest is holding up these so called "positives" against Trumps's horrific rap sheet and going "but he doesn't drink alcohol bro" that's dishonest.

No one is saying his first term was like Hitlers or Himlers, you're making that up, we're highlighting the fact you can find anything nice about truly evil people and it doesn't come close to excusing their behaviour so it's a joke when you have a contrarian coming in and saying well hey guys, didn't you know that Donald Trump is actually a good dad who doesn't drink. Jesus.

'Truly evil'

Jesus christ you are lost...

 

[dirty harry]

Rachel from accounts. Are you from a daily mail comments section? Misogynistic much?

Wait, I'm not thebone posting daily mail articles lol. Everyone in this comment thread is using nicknames for politicians, but your skirt comes down when I do it to Rachel?!

You had a bad night's sleep?

 

[Welsh Exile]

'Truly evil'

Jesus christ you are lost...

Yes, Himler, Stalin and Hitler were pretty evil.

 

[Welsh Exile]

Wait, I'm not thebone posting daily mail articles lol. Everyone in this comment thread is using nicknames for politicians, but your skirt comes down when I do it to Rachel?!

You had a bad night's sleep?

I just think it's a misogynistic dig. It furthers this idea that women can't operate in highly pressurised, skilled jobs. My sister is a CEO of a multi million pound company who is self made and worked her arse off and she, to this ******* day, still comes across pricks who talk about her like she's nothing. ****** me off actually.

 

[dirty harry]

It is false and the fact you put laughing emotes to anything that contradicts you shows your whole "I'm being rational and seeing nuance" is just bullshit. You are being contrarian for the sake of it.

What Trump states he would or wouldn't do it meaningless at this point, the guy lies constantly and shamelessly. Trump may have said he wasn't going to do it but the reality is he WAS doing it. Actions matter more than words. The withdrawal plan was one that was formed AND APPROVED during the Trump administration.. There was a deadline for full withdrawal from Afghanistan already in place when Biden took over THAT TRUMP HAD APPROVED.

I don't deny they exist, I'm saying talking about someone being tee total is completely irrelevant and pales in comparison. You follow that up with a lie about Afghanistan and then praise operation warp speed whilst ignoring that his own advisors from the first term stated his constant denial and refusal to act in the early days is what led to the USA having the worst death rate from COVID in the developed world. The fact he attempted to act much later doesn't offset his refusal to act earlier which cost far more lives than warp speed saved. It's like saying after someone was involved in a high speed crash that a positive is they did try to brake at the last minute, which reduced the impact. That's not a positive in the context of that we're already driving recklessly and caused a crash.

But your not being honest, the withdrawal plan was delayed under Trump, who then struck a deal and set a date of May 21.

Now if you argued that he set that deal with the consideration he would lose in 2020 and it wouldn't be his problem then I could agree with you (TRUMP CRITICISM). He more than likely knew the withdrawal would have to be rushed or delayed. Chris Miller makes this claim a number of times.

However, and I know where your opinion comes from, the Whitehouse releasing a study in which they claimed their hands were tied by Donald Trump's deal making, that was suddenly pushed worldwide as Afghanistan being a Trump plan and not Bidens fault lol. This is like the police investigating the Rodney King incident and blaming whoopi Goldberg hahaha

So let's take into account what the 2 chief generals had to say about it, after they retired and both had no more skin in the game.

They blamed Obama for his role in the expansionism, they blamed Trump's deal with the Taliban for demoralising Afghan forces, and they blamed Bidens official execution as rushed, and dithering until the final seconds to evacuate or give them the time to remove civilians and equipment.

I would probably agree with this, and Milleys comments about Trump and his bust up on the evacuation also play to this. Milley apparently warned Biden keep 2500 troops on the ground for a short period.

So your stance is - Trump fault.

My stance is - 20 years of **** show, Obama and Trump are complicit, Biden ultimately pulled the trigger of the **** up (MORE TRUMP CRITICISM).

do you see how we vary, ones rational, ones not

 

[dirty harry]

I just think it's a misogynistic dig. It furthers this idea that women can't operate in highly pressurised, skilled jobs. My sister is a CEO of a multi million pound company who is self made and worked her arse off and she, to this ******* day, still comes across pricks who talk about her like she's nothing. ****** me off actually.

Well you sister means nothing to me, Rachel being a woman means nothing to me, being able to insult all politicians means everything to me, so, when I dislike a politician (and I've mentioned many) and I feel they are doing bad, whether a man, woman or sea horse you can respectfully go whistle. Fuckwit Starmers economic decisions thus far, and I'll include Rachel from accounts in this, have been horrendous from a social point of view, hitting OAPs, marginalised people, disabled people, and every charity so hard it has become unmanageable in my sector, therefore they will all get **** from me.

 

[dirty harry]

Yes, Himler, Stalin and Hitler were pretty evil.

Oh I see, so you weren't calling Trump pure evil then?

 

[dirty harry]

Well you sister means nothing to me, Rachel being a woman means nothing to me, being able to insult all politicians means everything to me, so, when I dislike a politician (and I've mentioned many) and I feel they are doing bad, whether a man, woman or sea horse you can respectfully go whistle. Fuckwit Starmers economic decisions thus far, and I'll include Rachel from accounts in this, have been horrendous from a social point of view, hitting OAPs, marginalised people, disabled people, and every charity so hard it has become unmanageable in my sector, therefore they will all get **** from me.

How did **** wit get through there lol

 

[Welsh Exile]

Oh I see, so you weren't calling Trump pure evil then?

Trump is pretty bad and I think if he knew he could get away with it he'd probably do pretty evil things like those mentioned but he hasn't orchestrated a holocaust to be fair to him. On a personal level, though, he's potentially a rapist and in on record as saying he grabs women by the pussy and mocks disabled people in public. Maybe not pure evil but pretty bad.

 

[Welsh Exile]

Well you sister means nothing to me, Rachel being a woman means nothing to me, being able to insult all politicians means everything to me, so, when I dislike a politician (and I've mentioned many) and I feel they are doing bad, whether a man, woman or sea horse you can respectfully go whistle. Fuckwit Starmers economic decisions thus far, and I'll include Rachel from accounts in this, have been horrendous from a social point of view, hitting OAPs, marginalised people, disabled people, and every charity so hard it has become unmanageable in my sector, therefore they will all get **** from me.

Mock her all you like, just don't mock her for being a woman. Say she's an incompetent fool, an idiot, a stupid person or out of her depth but the "Rachel from accounts" thing deliberately implies she's bad at her job BECAUSE she's a woman.

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

But your not being honest, the withdrawal plan was delayed under Trump, who then struck a deal and set a date of May 21.

Now if you argued that he set that deal with the consideration he would lose in 2020 and it wouldn't be his problem then I could agree with you (TRUMP CRITICISM). He more than likely knew the withdrawal would have to be rushed or delayed. Chris Miller makes this claim a number of times.

However, and I know where your opinion comes from, the Whitehouse releasing a study in which they claimed their hands were tied by Donald Trump's deal making, that was suddenly pushed worldwide as Afghanistan being a Trump plan and not Bidens fault lol. This is like the police investigating the Rodney King incident and blaming whoopi Goldberg hahaha

So let's take into account what the 2 chief generals had to say about it, after they retired and both had no more skin in the game.

They blamed Obama for his role in the expansionism, they blamed Trump's deal with the Taliban for demoralising Afghan forces, and they blamed Bidens official execution as rushed, and dithering until the final seconds to evacuate or give them the time to remove civilians and equipment.

I would probably agree with this, and Milleys comments about Trump and his bust up on the evacuation also play to this. Milley apparently warned Biden keep 2500 troops on the ground for a short period.

So your stance is - Trump fault.

My stance is - 20 years of **** show, Obama and Trump are complicit, Biden ultimately pulled the trigger of the **** up (MORE TRUMP CRITICISM).

do you see how we vary, ones rational, ones not

No, the withdrawal plan was delayed by Biden, Jesus Christ man I've already been over this with you. It was during the BIDEN administration that the plan got pushed back, not during the Trump administration. Your timeline of the events is completely warped.

No you don't know where my opinion comes from at all. My opinion is that any withdrawal was doomed to fail because Afghanistan is a cesspit that was always going to fall right back into Taliban hands. What I contend is blushing the Biden administration for finishing the withdrawal wise claiming Trump wouldn't have withdrawn when he clearly was already in the process of withdrawing.

 

[General Melchett]

Mock her all you like, just don't mock her for being a woman. Say she's an incompetent fool, an idiot, a stupid person or out of her depth but the "Rachel from accounts" thing deliberately implies she's bad at her job BECAUSE she's a woman.

Funny how Starmer suddenly became Fuckwit Starmer in an attempt to balance things out.

 

[dirty harry]

Trump is pretty bad and I think if he knew he could get away with it he'd probably do pretty evil things like those mentioned but he hasn't orchestrated a holocaust to be fair to him. On a personal level, though, he's potentially a rapist and in on record as saying he grabs women by the pussy and mocks disabled people in public. Maybe not pure evil but pretty bad.

Well we have ground here, of course he'd commit horrific crimes against humanity if he could, every politician would, and that's why they all should be despised (except Corbyn).

He is also a rapist, (TRUMP CTIRICISM) not convicted of that, but in all reality he's probably forced himself on a number of people.

The pussy comments and the disability issue aren't real, let's not hold moral high grounds, we have all done similar if not worse. Groupies are in fact easy and Trump mocked everyone with his hands and stumbling manner, they are not appropriate, in any public (or private by today's standards) setting, but Trump is unapologetically non politically correct. In fact I'd say politicians have taken that on board after 2016, more of them now swear, talk about fighting, etc... sadly (MORE TRUMP CRITICISM)

 

[dirty harry]

No, the withdrawal plan was delayed by Biden, Jesus Christ man I've already been over this with you. It was during the BIDEN administration that the plan got pushed back, not during the Trump administration. Your timeline of the events is completely warped.

No you don't know where my opinion comes from at all. My opinion is that any withdrawal was doomed to fail because Afghanistan is a cesspit that was always going to fall right back into Taliban hands. What I contend is blushing the Biden administration for finishing the withdrawal wise claiming Trump wouldn't have withdrawn when he clearly was already in the process of withdrawing.

Italy not my Timeline, it's Milleys and Kenneth's, your not arguing with my opinion, your arguing against their comments lol.

We can agree that Afghanistan was a **** show, we agree that Trump was withdrawing troops 15k down to 8k, and we agree Trump made the deal and dealing with the Taliban, so with regards to Trump's complicitness I've been very clear, he was part of the problem.

What you don't agree with, is the generals who implemented the plans comments, and actions that Biden rushed the decision and ****** up the pull out leaving the civilians and equipment in peril.

Again, you playing between ignorance and nefarious means, trying desperately to beat me, but your not arguing with me, my estimation is based on what the people in charge say and did. Trump didn't pull the trigger, and noone has claimed he did, or would have, the only thing we go on is Trump and Milley having a bust up, and Trump saying it was a stupid plan to leave behind the equipment even if it was cost effective.

So we are 90% in agreement, you just refuse to not blame Trump for everything, and that is an issue you have to address with yourself lol

 

[Welsh Exile]

Well we have ground here, of course he'd commit horrific crimes against humanity if he could, every politician would, and that's why they all should be despised (except Corbyn).

He is also a rapist, (TRUMP CTIRICISM) not convicted of that, but in all reality he's probably forced himself on a number of people.

The pussy comments and the disability issue aren't real, let's not hold moral high grounds, we have all done similar if not worse. Groupies are in fact easy and Trump mocked everyone with his hands and stumbling manner, they are not appropriate, in any public (or private by today's standards) setting, but Trump is unapologetically non politically correct. In fact I'd say politicians have taken that on board after 2016, more of them now swear, talk about fighting, etc... sadly (MORE TRUMP CRITICISM)

Every politician would commit genocide if they could. Ok chief. lol. What a warped, ****** up outlook that is as well as being compete bullshit.

I've never given a speech and mocked a disabled person for being disabled. Never been in a rugby club and just gone to my mates, saying seriously, I just grab women by the pussy mate. I've never thought of myself as a particularly amazing person but maybe I am.

 

[dirty harry]

Mock her all you like, just don't mock her for being a woman. Say she's an incompetent fool, an idiot, a stupid person or out of her depth but the "Rachel from accounts" thing deliberately implies she's bad at her job BECAUSE she's a woman.

No, it only says that to those who want it to, namely Labour who would call everything targeted at women sexist.

She is the Chancellor, over embellished her economist experience, and has done nothing but hammer the weakest in society with cuts, if you prefer the ill call her Rachel the ****, or **** Rachel, of the **** wit of Rotherham.

By the way, where was your energy when Truss was being dragged on this thread?

My point is simple, she's a ****, like her **** labour friends, like her **** Tory friends, and many many deaths are going to be on her and their hands going forward because of these actions.

Edited, jesus how did some of those words get through the filter

 

[dirty harry]

Every politician would commit genocide if they could. Ok chief. lol. What a warped, ****** up outlook that is as well as being compete bullshit.

I've never given a speech and mocked a disabled person for being disabled. Never been in a rugby club and just gone to my mates, saying seriously, I just grab women by the pussy mate. I've never thought of myself as a particularly amazing person but maybe I am.

Because you've never been a celebrity or billionaire who women throw themselves at.

Go to some professional rugby clubs, or football clubs, or NFL teams, it happens all the time, sometimes subtly, sometimes not.

And BTW you should assume the absolute worst of every politician, and scale back from there, not doing so is niaive.

 

[Welsh Exile]

No, it only says that to those who want it to, namely Labour who would call everything targeted at women sexist.

She is the Chancellor, over embellished her economist experience, and has done nothing but hammer the weakest in society with cuts, if you prefer the ill call her Rachel the ****, or **** Rachel, of the **** wit of Rotherham.

By the way, where was your energy when Truss was being dragged on this thread?

My point is simple, she's a ****, like her **** labour friends, like her **** Tory friends, and many many deaths are going to be on her and their hands going forward because of these actions.

Edited, jesus how did some of those words get through the filter

If people were being misogynistic to Truss I would same the same thing. If people wanted to call Lizz Truss an absolute muppet who probably can't even count to 20 without help, that is fine.

Rachel from accounts is a misogynistic dig mate. Rachel from accounts is stupid coz she's a woman who works in accounts. She's not good enough to work in a high end job because she's RACHEL from accounts.

 

[Welsh Exile]

Because you've never been a celebrity or billionaire who women throw themselves at.

Go to some professional rugby clubs, or football clubs, or NFL teams, it happens all the time, sometimes subtly, sometimes not.

And BTW you should assume the absolute worst of every politician, and scale back from there, not doing so is niaive.

If women are throwing themselves at you (like they do with me when I step outside) they tend to be the ones grabbing genitalia so no need to go grabbing them mate.