A Political Thread pt. 2

[Saintjay]

okay. You're blocked. We have multiple black family members and my nieces are black/white. You can accuse me of a lot of things but insinuating I'm a racist is so absurd it's not worth my time to continue this.

Hey @Sour Patch Kid, this guy has some of the worst TDS I have ever seen.

Isn't that freedom of speech and exercising the 1st Amendment rights?

You are both free to block, say absurd things etc.

Also with regards to democracy with the UK- A comment I found regarding your chart -

The date shown was the Third Reform Act, you could alternatively put the date for the UK at 1867 for the Second Reform Act or 1832 for the Great Reform Act. You could also argue that the date should be 1801 because of the official creation of the Parliament of the United Kingdom, or even 1707 for the official creation of the Parliament of Great Britain. There's even a case for putting the date at 1689 for the Bill of Rights/Claim of Right, which was a landmark development of the supremacy of Parliament over the monarch.

Again all very open for debate. As the article states New Zealand gave the right to vote for everyone - not just 50% of the male population and so on.

 

[ncurd]

Again all very open for debate. As the article states New Zealand gave the right to vote for everyone - not just 50% of the male population and so o.

Universal suffrage is a fascinating thing because all democracies put restrictions on their citizens right to vote. Simple example we don't let babies vote.

But yeah most countries hold diffrent dates and for a lot of coutries until after The Great War it was tied to land ownership.

That why left wing politics suddenly spring out the ground at the turn of the last century. Workers rarely had the right to vote in most countries and suddenly they did and "surpsingly" they didn't want to vote for thier oppressors.

 

[Flankers' paradise]

@ChicagoKid if you're going to use a website to 'prove' a fact please use one with correct/referenced evidence. Britain has had, by definition, a democracy of sorts since 1215. 200 years after Danes first 'discovered' Greenland and 560 odd years before an american constitution existed. Even if you want to consider 'modern' democracy, the Electoral Reform Act, 1832 predates the WEF's suggestion by half a century and, as asked above, how did the slaves vote at that time?

 

[ChicagoKid]

@ChicagoKid if you're going to use a website to 'prove' a fact please use one with correct/referenced evidence. Britain has had, by definition, a democracy of sorts since 1215. 200 years after Danes first 'discovered' Greenland and 560 odd years before an american constitution existed. Even if you want to consider 'modern' democracy, the Electoral Reform Act, 1832 predates the WEF's suggestion by half a century and, as asked above, how did the slaves vote at that time?

So the WEF is wrong? You should send them a correction.

 

[Saintjay]

So the WEF is wrong? You should send them a correction.

Interestingly only 8% of the World is seen as a full democracy according to the Econimist Democracy Index. The US isn't in the 8% as it's scored as a flawed democracy.

I've no idea how good the methodology is for scoring.

 

[ChicagoKid]

Interestingly only 8% of the World is seen as a full democracy according to the Econimist Democracy Index. The US isn't in the 8% as it's scored as a flawed democracy.

I've no idea how good the methodology is for scoring.

The economist is a poor man's FT.

 

[Kiwiwomble]

The economist is a poor man's FT.

the FT rated the US democracy 34th in the world, 15 spots lower than the UK, 24 lower than NZ, 27 below Aussie and 29 below Canada

 

[Saintjay]

The economist is a poor man's FT.

So the Economist Intelligence Unit and the FT is wrong. You should send them a correction.

 

[AlRums]

I would tread very carefully on this case. It's very complex and the facts are still being sorted.

Operative word is resident. The person is not a citizen. They do not have the same rights as citizens.

You mean Americans do not have to abide with the same laws as visitors?

 

[Sour Patch Kid]

No it's to stop idiots running their mouths off with lies that lead to violence.

Prime example, naming the fella that killed those kids at a party, was then named and wrongly stated to be an Islamist, immigrant terrorist, totally wrong born and bred Welsh.

This led to multiple riots, supposed immigrants getting beaten up, hostel and hotels burned. Lynch mobs were on the street all for the sake of a lie.

That's exactly the rationale given to suppress free speech and gun ownership by authoritarians. We're doing it for the good of everyone logic.

 

[Sour Patch Kid]

What a load of rubbish.

He stole files, showed to journalists and foreign businessmen.

He didn't declassify then since there was no record anywhere that he had done so. He only claimed that he declassified them after he was caught with them, and after leaving them accessible by the public, storing on a ballroom stage and in a bathroom. He than tried to keep them hidden by telling national archives he didn't have them.

As regards Biden, he and Pence both found documents they shouldn't have had, but they were honest enough to report and admit they had them. Something trump singularly failed to do.

It doesn't matter if noone else has been prosecuted for the fraud, there always has to be a first and doesn't even remotely make him innocent. Btw the banks are defrauded if they lend money at a lower rate because the valuations are too high making him "a better risk".

The valuation was made by Palm Beach County, not the judge, Trump agreed with it in 2020.

You seem too forget trumps valuation is pie in the sky. Any buyer can only buy a golfa club. Trump signed away all rights to development, and agreed to a club only in perpetuity. Technically and legally he can only live there because he is an "employee". Any buyer would have to abide by the same.

As to freedom of speech how many pro Palestinians have been arrested for exercising their free sped h. Everything we hear is any speech against Israel is anti Semitics. Israel has even accused Ireland and South Africa of this in for supporting court cases against them. That's suppression of speech. You have no more freedom of speech than we do, in fact currently I would say you have less.

Didn't trump punish AP for exercising their free speech about the Gulf of Mexico?

Or how about this, is this not a freedom of speech issues

Report: Jewish Tesla owner 'speechless' after Jewish Musk-hater finger-traces swastika on his Cybertruck

A Jewish man was "speechless" after reportedly seeing an Elon Musk protester draw a swastika on his Cybertruck in NYC. The incident comes amid a wave of anti-DOGE protests in the U.S.

www.foxnews.com

How many Palestinians have been arrested in the US just for exercising their right to free speech and peacefully protesting? I don't know of any

 

[Flankers' paradise]

College protests: More than 2,100 arrested during pro-Palestinian protests on US college campuses

Protesters clashed overnight at the University of California, Los Angeles, and police detained some people, their hands bound with zip ties.

apnews.com

 

[AlRums]

Any interest in relocating to the US? I can sponsor you.

After all your carp, who in their right minds would want to relocate to Yankee land?

 

[AlRums]

Guess what's next...
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Americans can't cope with ordinary roundabouts let alone that.

Witness The Confusion Caused By This American Town's First Roundabout

Rowan County, Kentucky has its first roundabout, which replaces a dangerous intersection, and it's caused a lot of confusion

www.carthrottle.com

 

[AlRums]

Oh well, kinda true though

You'd still be British if it wasn't for the French.

Also, what was the last war you won on your own without help? (Btw: invading Grenada doesn't count)

 

[AlRums]

Earlier, a bunch of us were having what I viewed as a very civil back-and-forth on free speech. Different cases and perspectives were shared highlighting the differences between the US and UK and between the political stances of the members here. Nobody was really being rude or disrespectful just kind of pushing back on each other's perspectives on the matter.

Interestingly, you got involved in the conversation and seemingly true to form when you didn't agree with someone on the "other side" you reverted to name calling and stomping your virtual foot.

You said you lost a good friend by what sounded like your own intolerance. Pretty sad that you handle disagreement like that.

You've been pushing your maga views all through this thread with your sidekick.

In 115 posts, you have actually touched on rugby in 2. American major league, which quite frankly is probably outside the interest of the majority here.

Other than a few posts on computer games, your entire posting history is political.

Why are you here in a rugby forum?

 

[AlRums]

Wrong again: https://www.weforum.org/stories/2019/08/countries-are-the-worlds-oldest-democracies/

Arguing with you is fun because it's like playing with a younger brother: I always win and you just cry.

Oh?

In 1776, the Declaration of Independence proclaimed that all men were created equal.

How do you explain your genocide of the native Americans?
How do you explain slavery?
And what about the Chinese railroad workers that were mistreated and paid less that half the whites got?

Your country has never lived up to the standards you claim.

 

[AlRums]

The World Economic Forum — your little left wing forum — says we are number 1.

Meanwhile @Ragey Erasmus is raging.

Our democracy started with the Magna Carta n 1215, some 500 years before you epiphany.

Indeed your constitution and bill of rights were developed from the Magna Carta.

 

[AlRums]

okay. You're blocked. We have multiple black family members and my nieces are black/white. You can accuse me of a lot of things but insinuating I'm a racist is so absurd it's not worth my time to continue this.

Hey @Sour Patch Kid, this guy has some of the worst TDS I have ever seen.

He never said, referred to or implied you're racist.

He asked you a very simple question which you sidestepped multiple times.

What not just answer question?

 

[AlRums]

Universal suffrage is a fascinating thing because all democracies put restrictions on their citizens right to vote. Simple example we don't let babies vote.

But yeah most countries hold diffrent dates and for a lot of coutries until after The Great War it was tied to land ownership.

That why left wing politics suddenly spring out the ground at the turn of the last century. Workers rarely had the right to vote in most countries and suddenly they did and "surpsingly" they didn't want to vote for thier oppressors.

It took the Voting Rights Act of 1965 for all citizens to be able to vote with age provisos)

As an aside native women weren't allowed to vote until the mid 50s.

A law which the the republicans have been relentlessly trying to weaken in recent years.

You could argue that true democracy wasn't achieved until then.