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A Political Thread pt. 2

It's incredible that Putin thinks he can change the minds of 40+ million people via control of media etc. and get them to be pro him because in his mind they've been demonised by the West. It's almost like a controlling Dad forcing his gay son to marry a bird.
**** the evil cowardly dwarf.
 
It hasn't, I wrote an answer earlier about the famous convoy, they are building up for an envelopment. There are Russian spearheads moving from the south and east

Sorry, but your gonna have to explain why they are sitting in a giant strung out queue that largely negates any numerical advantage and removes all freedom of manoeuvring, rather than getting themselves off a (very vulnerable) single highway and into a useful position for either defending themselves or attacking Kyiv.


Talk is:
That convoy largely left Belarus with 3 days supplies thinking it'd be a walk over. That was what, 8 days ago?
The Ukrainians attacked and took out the lead vehicles.
The mud stopped the Russians getting around them (and I assume, same for clearing them off road - don't quite know how that's been a problem - do they not have winches?).
Now, many vehicles are out of fuel.
The troops will shortly run out of food.

The Ukrainians aren't really attacking them as soon its gonna become a massive disaster the Russians somehow have to handle, that convoy is shaping into a disorganised retreat (on foot) back across the Belarussian border to get food. Or officers shooting troopers for disobeying orders.


Or, quite possibly, the talk is rubbish - and by extension, all the above is rubbish. But given the hard evidence of Russian incompetence to date (trying to run field ops via unencrypted radios... like really?) - then I'm betting for, rather than against.


If it were you - would you be happy to be still be sat there on a single highway knowing if there is any attacks, you don't have freedom to manoeuvre?




[and I do appreciate where your coming from, both from your background and quoting Soviet doctrine]
 
Guess the key is "Talk is" as the war goes on supply for both will generally get harder.
But it's not the middle of winter during WW2

NGL I cringe at the thought of History students being tested on this and having to use tweets etc to support arguments whilst also talking about the flaws (God I hated comprehension tests)
 
Think you do have to look at all the "Russia are incompetent!" tweets with a critical gaze - Ukraine will be pumping out as much propaganda as the Russians to try and keep morale high
How many "hero" stories have we seen debunked already (the "Ghost of Kiev" being a main one - there was a BS one doing the rounds about cats alerting troops to the threat of snipers by seeing their laser sights etc.)
 
Unless Ukraine magically starts getting support I don’t see how long they last. Saw a guardian article with a map and Russia was making inroads. All these stories about it taking longer than expected isn’t exactly the same as Ukraine holding Russia off.
 
Think you do have to look at all the "Russia are incompetent!" tweets with a critical gaze - Ukraine will be pumping out as much propaganda as the Russians to try and keep morale high
How many "hero" stories have we seen debunked already (the "Ghost of Kiev" being a main one - there was a BS one doing the rounds about cats alerting troops to the threat of snipers by seeing their laser sights etc.)
As you said this is a movie for a lot of people. All the Ukrainians need is king bumi to decide it’s time to strike bike and for aang to learn how to firebend.
 
I think the biggest thing to take from the war so far is that Russia won't get a clean take over - I imagine they thought (/hoped) Ukraine would cave, and friendly politicians/militias would facilitate a smooth(ish) takeover and they could install a puppet regime
Ukrainians have shown they aren't taking this lying down, so even if Russia do accomplish the above they can look forward to a long and drawn out resistance effort, being funded/supplied by the west
 
Russia's a cleptocracy - are we surprised that they've cut the odd corner here and there in terms of equipment, maintenance, training, flight hours etc etc

I've seen reports (though of course, I can't find them now) that the invasion took his cabinet and generals by surprise - they were under the impression that the build up stuff was a bluff, but that the intention was to secure the separatist states, maybe the 2 Oblasts depending on levels of international resistance, and "leave"

Which means that no planning was really made for a full-on invasion, and they mostly had their standard 3-days supplies.

I think we know enough now to say that the squaddies on the ground were also under that impression.
 
So, it shouldn’t be long until we throw Boris and half the Tories into prison, right?

Up to their neck in it. I’m sure we’ll see a lot of sweeping under the rug going on over the next months. Not like we haven’t seen that going on for the last couple of years anyway I suppose. Not like their base cares. Just a bit of Russian corruption into our democracy and putting our security at risk. Fun and games init.
 


Trump talking about Putin like someone who's talking about a time they met a famous person and they played the big man. Probably how a lot of golf fans tell their mates about their interactions with Daly!

Incredible how many people believe his narrative about how it wouldn't happen with him. It's blatant his weak administration paced the way for Putin to prep for this and that covid delayed it more than anyone in US government.
 
honestly I don’t think it would’ve happened if trump was in charge mainly because he was wanting to basically cripple NATO
I disagree, that was essentially an attempt to appease Putin. Putin has only ever responded to such actions like a dog off a leash. I think rationalising Putin's decisions is giving the man too much credit.
 
Is this a joke or edgy take?

How’s that a edgy take or a joke?

Trump was 100% wanting to take US out of NATO and basically **** what is one of Russia’s biggest gripe.

In my mind I don’t see Putin wanting to risk that slowing down, which is why he’s gotten a lot more pissy since Biden won.

In the long run what Trump was wanting to do was far more dangerous to Europe and the west.
 
How’s that a edgy take or a joke?

Trump was 100% wanting to take US out of NATO and basically **** what is one of Russia’s biggest gripe.

In my mind I don’t see Putin wanting to risk that slowing down, which is why he’s gotten a lot more pissy since Biden won.

In the long run what Trump was wanting to do was far more dangerous to Europe and the west.
It’s a joke because it’s laughable and it’s edgy because I’ve not heard a single credible person say this. But perhaps you can point me in the direction of someone who has?

NATO expansion/ threat is a joke anyway. NATO could’ve been disbanded a decade ago and it wouldn’t of changed anything imo. Putin would be using the same schtick now, I.e saying that Nazi’s have taken over the Ukraine and need to be removed to protect Russia. Had Trump been in power the likelihood is Putin would’ve felt emboldened.

Putin is a power hungry psycho dictator that wants to return Russia to its former glory. He likes to **** with his neighbours, cause distrust and unrest in the hope of controlling these areas for his own economic and ideological reasons.
 
I think people are misunderstanding me.

I’m not saying Putin wouldn’t ever have taken the Ukraine, just I think he would’ve wanted till trump withdrew out of NATO (which imo is a given 1. Because as Alpha said it was something that appeased the likes of Putin and Xi for obvious reasons, 2. Trump was basically using his whole term 1 to talk about how crap and costly NATO is)

And I think once trump would’ve taken USA out of NATO (which prob would’ve been his final year) he leaves basically the whole eastern bloc unguarded and dumps the **** show to the next president like he’s done with other stuff.

I mean Trump former advisor has come out and said Trump would have taken America out of NATO in term 2 if he got it.

So yes I think trump is right it wouldn’t have happened under his watch but for all the wrong reasons not because he had Putin under his thumb or some ****
 
Think there is a need for some good UK irony


A Conservative MP who campaigned for Brexit has said it is “monstrous” that British businesses now have to fill in forms to trade with Europe.

Sir Desmond Swayne, a supporter of the Leave Means Leave group, was mocked for complaining about the new bureaucracy Brexit had created.
 

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