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6 Nations Player of the Tournament

Picamoles is exactly what an 8 should be. When you've got 7 other forwards to get through work, and especially have two flankers to tackle their hearts out, it's okay to have one that isn't such a defensive machine. In a tournament bereft of attack and flair, he's added so much. Parisse has been great too though...
 
What Picamoles has done so well is maintain a huge effort whilst his entire team and support in the crowd has given up.

Halfpenny has been standout, but... what stands out to me is his consistency over his entire career, not over the six nations.
 
I think people have come to expect excellence from Parisse and, to an extent, underrate him. He has, as ever, been outstanding for Italy when he's been playing- and I honestly don't think either their performance against England (which was one of their best showings for years) or their single win against France could have happened without him.

His handling is sublime, his carrying and breakdown work are excellent and he even has a kicking game! For me he'd probably take player of tournament (Halfpenny has been outstanding but a few poor kicks on the weekend bring him down just a fraction)



Picamoles and Wood have both been outstanding this 6 Nation, but, as has been mentioned above, Picamoles has not got the all round game that I like to see in a no. 8. He's an absolute tank going forward, and he puts in hard graft in breakdown/defence too, but his outstanding quality is fairly one dimensional (even if it's a terrifying dimension...)
 
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Parisse has been outstanding but in a poor team has been very noticeable whereas Halfpenny has been noticeable in a very good team.We will see how the English contingent measure up this saturday when they lose to Wales by 10 points
 
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Agree with pretty much everyone above.

Halfpenny hasn't missed a tackle in about a year or more? amazing statistic, i reckon he will win it if Wales beat England on Saturday. Robshaw if England beat Wales. Picamoles has been inspirational in a very uninspired French team and Parisse has made Italy look a different team when he's been on the field.
 
well the whole one-dimensionality thing about Picamoles is just the obvious criticism. Being an NBA fan first, and every single position in the game requiring such tremendous skill there, it's almost funny when I get back to rugby and I hear about "good no.8's, and one-dimensional this and that" because, well, a Picamoles-type no.8 is an efficient no.8. Basically, spend a lot of time in the gym, eat a lot, get some basic off-loading before you fall skills, become a solid defender after a few games and you're good, and you're only as good as you are strong in Picamoles's case (with just the basic fundamentals I've just evoked...), it helps he was born to become 1m90 plus...
Imanol, Parisse have obviously a more well-rounded game, but Parisse can't score a try and force a tie against Ireland to avoid a 4th straight loss on his own like Picamoles. Not because he's "talented" or wtvr the hell :lol:, just that he's a rhinoceros who can assert his will on the game with pure brute force.

Yes, the game of rugby has some extremely basic corners and aspects. A battering ram no.8 is good to have.
Manu Tuilagi: constantly criticized for being so 1-dimensional himself at the center position, being a bad passer and all....he's strong enough to break through any one-man tackle, some times two or three, or at least prolongs the play and still gets by a bit to gain a few meters. That's pure strength, that's working on those monster thighs he has in the weight room, that ain't "talent" or "skill", you kidding me ?! Skill is Dan Carter writhing, dancing through tackles coz he sure doesn't weigh 500kgs. Of course Tuilagi has some skill elsewhere, but sometimes he can't even do the most basic **** like a standard off-load. My point being one-dimensional isn't a real criticism at this point in rugby, because the requirements for certain position ARE themselves completely basic. Sure we'd like a BOD at center working his crazy magic and putting on a show of pure, actual skill. But a Tuilagi is ANY TEAM's desire to have.
Fk, even the invincible AB have one (Nonu) and before he started to expand his game and mature, he certainly was plenty efficient as a battering ram 12 alone.

If a team had 2 Nonu's at center, 3 Picamoles at backrow they'd constantly break through tackles the whole game against everyone. Of course there would be skills and certain aspects missing in the mix, but breaking through tackles constantly sounds good to me in this sport. It sounds reductive of course, but it's the simple nature of the game. You may need to sacrifice skill for pure brute force in certain sectors of this sport.

As for player of the tournament ?..nah not Robshaw...the guy's great, but not this particular tournament. Halfpenny hasn't been incredible either, but super solid at fullback, and boy he's made a ton of kicks...started the game really bad against Scotland the other day but...
I dunno, I honestly don't feel there's one guy in particular like most years. Picamoles's been awesome, but again there must be better somewhere...then again, he did score a try 100% by himself over like 47 Irish defenders to force the tie...scored one against Italy...and he's gained quite some meters, as usual.
 
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Agree with pretty much everyone above.

Halfpenny hasn't missed a tackle in about a year or more? amazing statistic, i reckon he will win it if Wales beat England on Saturday. Robshaw if England beat Wales. Picamoles has been inspirational in a very uninspired French team and Parisse has made Italy look a different team when he's been on the field.

Not sure where you got that stat from. But I guess it didn't count him getting totally outpaced and not even laying a finger on the attacker here ...

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Not sure where you got that stat from. But I guess it didn't count him getting totally outpaced and not even laying a finger on the attacker here ...

Whilst that could be viewed at a missed tackle, I wouldn't put it down as one. That is just great finishing by Imhoff. Shane Williams did it to so many fullbacks during his playing days, and I always praised Shane's finishing, not the fullback's tackling. Sometimes there is little a defender can do when a player can sidestep and has that kinda pace.
 
Whilst that could be viewed at a missed tackle, I wouldn't put it down as one. That is just great finishing by Imhoff. Shane Williams did it to so many fullbacks during his playing days, and I always praised Shane's finishing, not the fullback's tackling. Sometimes there is little a defender can do when a player can sidestep and has that kinda pace.

You don't think Halfpenny was shown up as a little bit slow and lead footed on this particular occasion? The tackling wasn't the issue, it was the pace and agility.

I sometimes wonder whether his bulk slows him down a little and takes a bit of his agility away. Just look at him, he looks like he is budding bodybuilder. However as you say, it was a good finish from Imhoff.

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Regarding Shane. I see your point on that. For his second try from this hat trick against Argentina 2004. How much can the full back do when a player can sidestep like that?

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You don't think Halfpenny was shown up as a little bit slow and lead footed on this particular occasion? The tackling wasn't the issue, it was the pace and agility.

I sometimes wonder whether his bulk slows him down a little and takes a bit of his agility away. Just look at him, he looks like he is budding bodybuilder. However as you say, it was a good finish from Imhoff.

Yeah a little, but it might also have been that Halfpenny guessed that he would go right, and got it wrong, and thus got flat footed. In those situations, against a player like Imhoff who can step both directions, as a defender if you guess right you have a chance of making the tackle, guess wrong, and you're stuffed. Edit. looking again, it was more of a swerve, but when the attacking is running flat out and the defender standing still, it's just as effective as a step.

Maybe Halfpenny is a little bulky, but maybe not. His asset was always his pace, not his stepping ability (he wasn't another Shane), and he doesn't seem to have lost that pace, so I think he's fine bulk wise.

Whether its a missed tackle or not is obviously down to interpretation. The stats say it wasn't, because the pundits on the 6 nations have mentioned Halfpenny not missing a tackle since Autumn 2011 (or similar) a number of times.
 
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^ :lol:

P.S.: goddaaaaaaayum, it looks a bit...unreal. Like, photoshopped or smt...the guy likes his workout huh, geeeeeez....
 
You don't think Halfpenny was shown up as a little bit slow and lead footed on this particular occasion? The tackling wasn't the issue, it was the pace and agility.

I sometimes wonder whether his bulk slows him down a little and takes a bit of his agility away. Just look at him, he looks like he is budding bodybuilder. However as you say, it was a good finish from Imhoff.

Regarding Shane. I see your point on that. For his second try from this hat trick against Argentina 2004. How much can the full back do when a player can sidestep like that?

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That try made me remember how much Wales miss Shane these days. What they would do for someone who can create and finish chances like him. That was an outstanding sidestep, never seen something quite like that before.

Regarding Halfpenny's bulk, I agree that he perhaps has put on a little bit too much muscle and maybe he's not quite as quick off the mark as he was when he first burst onto the scene. However, I think the plus side to this has been the improvement in his defensive work. I think if he was still the size he was around the time of 2009 he would definitely not be able to make potentially try-saving tackles like this...



If that had been the Halfpenny of 09/10 (i.e. pretty skinny, sort of Dan Biggar size) he would have been crushed. I also don't think since Halfpenny has moved to fullback it doesn't matter as much that he doesn't have the same pace because fullbacks generally have less attacking opportunities than wingers anyway. Leave the pace to North and Cuthbert.

This is also why I'd definitely start Halfpenny in the Lions team over Hogg. Sure Hogg has a great attacking game, but a fullback's primary role is defence first and foremost. Halfpenny has an outstanding defensive game, arguably the best of any fullback in world rugby at the moment. His commitment to the tackle is what amazes me. He will put his whole body into a tackle regardless of how huge the attacker is, as the video above shows. He has saved countless tries for Wales.
 
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Picamoles, Halfpenny, Parisse in that order for me. Louis Picamoles is a beast of a no.8. He may not be as skilful as Parisse but that hasn't stopped him dominating teams. He saved France on his own against Ireland on Sunday. Halfpenny is the Lions full-back in waiting and Sergio is Sergio, he's the best no.8 on the planet.
 
People in the rugby world seem to be very quick to criticise players who actually pay attention to conditioning. I think the people saying halfpenny has lost speed are probably thinking that because he is bigger, not because he is actually slower. I'm still constantly surprised by the disparity in the level of conditioning between some players. It seems to me that a lot of coaches seem to just leave players to get on with doing a large amount themselves. Based on the amount of players who are written about doing "extras" to get stronger/leaner/faster etc.
Jerry Guscott was calling Heaslip a gym monkey the other day...

If you really think Halfpenny looks like he is too big and has lost pace, go and look at the top sprinters in the world.
I'm not saying he hasn't lost pace btw, I don't follow him closely enough to say. It just annoys me when people make comparisons to bodybuilders or whatever.
I respect him, and players like him who dedicate an appropriate amount of effort into conditioning for professional sportsmen who get payed what they do.

/rant :D
 
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