[2025 Six Nations] Wales vs England - 15/3/25

[dullonien]

That's a sad list on the whole...

Morse, Grady, Fender, Hawkins, James, Edward's I think all have high ceilings, Hennessy could be added to that, and Bowen, Bedal and Jones in the current U20s.

The rest of that list is pretty sad, Grace lol. Basham, Ratti, Mcloed, William's, Cabango, Giles are all clubman l.

I think Carre, Plumtree, William's and Dyer could all add to this squad, but let's be real little Stevey at Penallta u16s would probably have performed better yesterday.

Agree to some degree! Not fully on some of the players you called out as clubmen only, but that's just semantics tbh.

But there are options out there is the point. Giles may be a clubman, destroyed by injury, but he prob would have been better than an out of position centre or Mee who has been really shown up in the last 2 games. Murray looks great ball in hand, but someone like Winnett who's still small, but doesn't loose every aerial battle would have been better.

I think there needs to be a full shift in personnell and thinking. But none of this really matters until the WRU sort their **** out.

 

[dirty harry]

Agree to some degree! Not fully on some of the players you called out as clubmen only, but that's just semantics tbh.

But there are options out there is the point. Giles may be a clubman, destroyed by injury, but he prob would have been better than an out of position centre or Mee who has been really shown up in the last 2 games. Murray looks great ball in hand, but someone like Winnett who's still small, but doesn't loose every aerial battle would have been better.

I think there needs to be a full shift in personnell and thinking. But none of this really matters until the WRU sort their **** out.

Ok I'll give Giles credit, he had a high ceiling, and at times he's been electric, but he's never been able to continue momentum for a long enough period. Cabango and Ashley have the same issues. It's a bit of a muscle fibre issue and poor development in rugby. Those who are more explosive and fast twitch need specific development to avoid constant injury.

You hit the nail, the WRU is the problem!

 

[BrokenWing]

Dawson's likened this performance to the semi final against New Zealand…

 

[Bluemoon]

Dawson's likened this performance to the semi final against New Zealand…

How kind of him! Wales will take that as a direct and hefty compliment.

 

[dullonien]

I will say one thing. It's painful now, but we may look back in 5 years and say that being humiliated by England on our own patch to make it 17 straight defeats had to happen to enact change.

Bit like the 96-13 result in '98. You look back at the team that day and there's a handful of players who went on to become great players. Franco Smith played for SA that day, so it would be ironic id he ends up being Wales next coach to turn things around now.

 

[TommiG88]

Dawson's likened this performance to the semi final against New Zealand…

 

[Vieux Talonneur]

Let's be clear. Wal are crap and Eng deserved a big victory.

I have no idea whether Wal got their selection right , but looking at the some of them and their credentials you've really got to wonder.

However….

Wal scored 2, butchered another, had one called back and were denied another by the most desperate of ankle taps. I think there were a couple of other fairly last ditch tackles from Eng too. On another day Wal could easily have scored 30 or 35 which would have you in most games.

The game was won in the few minutes up to half time with 3 quick scores but until Freeman went over in the 34th minute it was still only 7-14 with Wal looking to have weathered our initial storm, who knows what mindsets would have been if Wal had scored then instead making it level heading towards HT?

Also with the way the game's played now momentum means that a number of scores can be racked up quickly distorting the scoreboard. Plus you can't deny we had a bit of luck with a couple of headers.

So Eng should be pleased, but not get too carried away.

Wal should be despondent, but…erm….be thankful there's no relegation. There are glimmers of hope but as a starter they need to find some serious power and intensity from somewhere.

 

[dirty harry]

Let's be clear. Wal are crap and Eng deserved a big victory.

I have no idea whether Wal got their selection right , but looking at the some of them and their credentials you've really got to wonder.

However….

Wal scored 2, butchered another, had one called back and were denied another by the most desperate of ankle taps. I think there were a couple of other fairly last ditch tackles from Eng too. On another day Wal could easily have scored 30 or 35 which would have you in most games.

The game was won in the few minutes up to half time with 3 quick scores but until Freeman went over in the 34th minute it was still only 7-14 with Wal looking to have weathered our initial storm, who knows what mindsets would have been if Wal had scored then instead making it level heading towards HT?

Also with the way the game's played now momentum means that a number of scores can be racked up quickly distorting the scoreboard. Plus you can't deny we had a bit of luck with a couple of headers.

So Eng should be pleased, but not get too carried away.

Wal should be despondent, but…erm….be thankful there's no relegation. There are glimmers of hope but as a starter they need to find some serious power and intensity from somewhere.

I personally think this is the strongest argument for relegation...

When teams development become this bad, current day Wales, 2010s Italy, 2000s Scotland, they 200% deserve to play a playoff against the winner of 6N two, electric boogaloo (yes that should be the official name).

There is no way this Wales team beats Georgia, and I would worry for them v Romania and Portugal too, but they 100% deserve it.

The justifications of what ifs above is laughable, the what it's went in Wales favour against Ireland and Scotland, and against them against England, but Wales were not competitive in any of them.

When England scored the VP after 37? Mins, I was actually joking as to what took them so long, Scotland did it 10 minutes earlier hahaha

Scotland took their foot off the gas, England didn't, that was the difference

 

[Weldit]

Not sure relegation works in this sport. The gap between some nations (and clubs) is pretty big. Sure, right now Wales are not competing, but it's a bit unfair when this is the first time Italy even got out their coffin to want to introduce such a system.

 

[BPM]

Probably some truth in that defensively but fatigue will play its part, they did manage to get their second try and looked to potentially be having the final say in the game at one point.

what? I don't recall any point in the game where they looked remotely like having the 'final say'.

 

[Duct Tape]

Is Pollock eligible for someone else? He's got potential, but not done enough to be capped.

Bringing this back up for review.

 

[Duct Tape]

Rory teeing off in 30mins. Earn my attention Wales.

Big mistake there. Hopefully no more Texas players with negative comments carrying iPhones.