[2021 Six Nations] England Squad

[Pieter Steph du Teague]

Rugbypass player stats for 2020 amd 2021

Smith 99 kicks ,77 successful 77%
Simmonds 106 kicks, 95 successful 90%

Are these stats not right?

RugbyPass also says that Jack Nowell is only 89kg and that Jonny Hill is only 102kg (literally the first two players I've just looked up on it). Their stats tend to be pretty rubbish.

 

[TW27BA]

No he is perfect for this team, he was a leader who made sure everyone knew their roles, yet was willing to listen to others. This current team is seriously lacking in true leaders. Too many subservient to one person, who doesn't seem to like criticism on or off the pitch.

Reading what Danny Care and Mike Brown have been saying about the way EJ goes about his role, I wonder if Jonno would fit into an EJ side?
It strikes me EJ wants yes men who conform to his ideas. Its my way or the highway with him I believe. Farrell is his kind of guy. Subservient to the point of never questioning EJ's tactics.
The pointless kicking game EJ employed v Scotland played into the opponents hands. A captain who thought on his feet and was prepared to change things would be Jonno. Farrell just kept on kicking aimlessly and going with the script.
As much as I appreciate what EJ has done to improve the team from the depths of 2015, how many chances does he need to find an alternative 9/10/12?
How many players are kicking their heels watching Farrell/Youngs/Daly cock up, knowing full well EJ sees them as irreplaceable?
It wouldn't surprise me if Cips never really got a fair crack with Eddie was because he was too outspoken and spoke his mind.

We have the talent and the players, but I'm not sure EJ is the man to take us any further despite him having a contract up to the next RWC.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Rugbypass player stats for 2020 amd 2021

Smith 99 kicks ,77 successful 77%
Simmonds 106 kicks, 95 successful 90%

Are these stats not right?

Simmonds:
19/20: 54 of 61
20/21: 23 of 26
Total: 77 of 87 (88.5%)

Smith:
19/20: 65 of 80
20/21: 41 of 45
Total: 106 of 125 (84.8%)

Kicking strike rate Gallagher Premiership 20/21

see kicking strike rate for gallagher premiership 20/21 - rugby stats from statbunker

rugby.statbunker.com

I hate bye weeks, look at the state of this discussion ffs

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

No he is perfect for this team, he was a leader who made sure everyone knew their roles, yet was willing to listen to others. This current team is seriously lacking in true leaders. Too many subservient to one person, who doesn't seem to like criticism on or off the pitch.

He would also most likely have been banned for the whole 6N's after that Scotland game.

 

[FLOBALOB]

RugbyPass also says that Jack Nowell is only 89kg and that Jonny Hill is only 102kg (literally the first two players I've just looked up on it). Their stats tend to be pretty rubbish.

I can understand them not being exact on stats that are "variable", but surely stats that are fact-based can't be too far off.

They also include European games

 

[Vieux Talonneur]

Rugbypass player stats for 2020 amd 2021

Smith 99 kicks ,77 successful 77%
Simmonds 106 kicks, 95 successful 90%

Are these stats not right?

No idea.

But how many of those were in front of the posts, into the wind, from distance, away from home, standard of opposition, tightness of matches, success rate under pressure, missed consecutively etc......

It's a given that we expect top level kickers to be somewhere around 80%, but bald stats like that are indicative without telling us much about what really matters. Context is all.

Daly will have a poor success rate because he only takes occasional long rangers, but those are a really valuable weapon for a team (provided they're not deployed from FB).

I fundamentally hate rugby stats, but do quite enjoy twisting them from time to time.

 

[BPM]

Simmonds:
19/20: 54 of 61
20/21: 23 of 26
Total: 77 of 87 (88.5%)

Smith:
19/20: 65 of 80
20/21: 41 of 45
Total: 106 of 125 (84.8%)

Kicking strike rate Gallagher Premiership 20/21

see kicking strike rate for gallagher premiership 20/21 - rugby stats from statbunker

rugby.statbunker.com

I hate bye weeks, look at the state of this discussion ffs

What the stats don't necessarily illustrate is the relative difficulty of the kicks.

This could be total rubbish, but my perception is that Simmonds typically has easier kicks.

Here's my logic

The majority of the tries Exeter score are close range efforts from lineout drives or pick and go. This tends to mean that a lot of the conversions are taken from closer to the middle of the field.

Quins have no trend to the way we score - we take what we can get so a lot of the kicks can be quite difficult from wide angles.

In any case, I'm with ragerancher. It doesn't matter who is the slightly better kicker ... both are too good to be ignored.

*Old Hooker basically made the same point while I was writing my post ...

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

Rugbypass player stats for 2020 amd 2021

Smith 99 kicks ,77 successful 77%
Simmonds 106 kicks, 95 successful 90%

Are these stats not right?

Nope, 77/99 is 78% so there

 

[Pieter Steph du Teague]

The majority of the tries Exeter score are close range efforts from lineout drives or pick and go. This tends to mean that a lot of the conversions are taken from closer to the middle of the field.

Agree with what you're saying but how many lineout drives do you see in the middle of the field?

 

[BrokenWing]

I reckon Jones is counting on BV being on Lions duty so he can try alternatives on the summer tour (is that happening?). Is it how I would do it? Probably not, but Jones has enough credit in the bank to do things his way.

If only he'd had games in the autumn that he could have used to try alternatives. The present state of the Sarries players can't have come as a massive shock to him so maybe a bit of foresight wouldn't have gone amiss?

 

[Vieux Talonneur]

As all round rugby player he is miles ahead of Johnno was, and also very different style.

In reality Johnno most likely wouldn't make the England squad currently he was perfect for the time and one of the great leaders but he wasn't a modern day rugby player really.

No, but if TBT was out of nappies when Johnno packed up internationals it was only just. Everyone's of their time, if Lawes had been a contemporary of Johnno's he'd have played very differently to what we see from him now.

I think Johnno was more astute and skilful than he was given credit for and would probably have been fine if he'd been brought up in a different era. Big, stroppy locks will never wholly go out of fashion, although he'd definitely have had to rein in some of his more, ahem, physical contributions.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Simmonds has only taken one penalty shot this season - which is pretty mad

Either way - we're dedicating too much time and effort into discussing which player that will never be picked by EJ has marginally better kicking stats

 

[FLOBALOB]

What the stats don't necessarily illustrate is the relative difficulty of the kicks.

This could be total rubbish, but my perception is that Simmonds typically has easier kicks.

Here's my logic

The majority of the tries Exeter score are close range efforts from lineout drives or pick and go. This tends to mean that a lot of the conversions are taken from closer to the middle of the field.

Quins have no trend to the way we score - we take what we can get so a lot of the kicks can be quite difficult from wide angles.

In any case, I'm with ragerancher. It doesn't matter who is the slightly better kicker ... both are too good to be ignored.

*Old Hooker basically made the same point while I was writing my post ...

Or another way to look at it would be that their line-out drives are close to the touchline.

Thats why you need a largish sample size -to 'iron out' all the variables

 

[FLOBALOB]

Simmonds has only taken one penalty shot this season - which is pretty mad

Either way - we're dedicating too much time and effort into discussing which player that will never be picked by EJ has marginally better kicking stats

Does make you wonder if they should be taking the points more ,as this season going for the corner hasn't been so profitable as it used to be and with Simmonds being the best kicker in premiership as well.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Simmonds being the best kicker in premiership as well

*7th best

 

[FLOBALOB]

Nope, 77/99 is 78% so there

Ive got a GCSE in maths I'll have you know and I think you'll find its 77%,

 

[ncurd]

Ive got a GCSE in maths I'll have you know and I think you'll find its 77%,

It's 78%

You round the .7 recurring up not down.

 

[Reiser99]

It's 78%

You round the .7 recurring up not down.

Yep...we really need some rugby to revive this thread.

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

Yep...we really need some rugby to revive this thread.

******** to that, I want to argue over 1%

 

[Bada-Bing!]

If Trump can round up 74.2 million to 75 million why can't Flob round down from 77.777?