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[2017 Rugby Championship] Round 3: Australia v South Africa (09/09/2017)

Glen Jackson is the ref for this match. One of the few guys that seems to be clued up at the scrums. Hope this is one area we can overpower the Aussies like we did with Argentina. But we all know the Aussies are sneaky little buggers when it comes to the scrums.

The inclusion of PSDT as well as Lood on the bench makes me think we will use our lineouts as a weapon, and perhaps look to our mauls, something that worked very well against the Aussie teams during the Super Rugby...
 
I have never rated Moore, particularly as a Captain, he rubs Refs up the wrong way with his squeaky, whinging and he has never seemed to have the necessary respect of the playing group. His work as a 2 has been consistent in terms of the line outs but rarely has he offered much else. I would describe him as a good Super Rugby player, who could never translate that into much more. Now I think he is simply getting too old and is already looking to life after Rugby, I dont think his heart is even in it anymore.

Isn't he also retiring from internationals at the end of this season? Boks had the same situation with the captain Strauss last year, but AC never dropped him. This in spite of Marx being our best hooker then already. Cheika is doing right there IMO...
 
He was pregnant? Explains a lot.

Don't see the home advantage for the bulk of the oz side flying over to perth for this game.

If it was in Brisbane or Sydney, then might fancy the oz with the home win. Geographically, Playing it in Perth just throws it up in the air, if you ask me. Might as well play it in NZ as Perth.

Fancy the boks.
 
Israel Folau isn't allowed in NZ, he's always offside ref... (nod to Galumay :D)

I wonder if the anti-ARU sentiment will manifest in the WA crowd if the Wallabies struggle
 
Israel Folau isn't allowed in NZ, he's always offside ref... (nod to Galumay :D)

Wouldn't that guarantee him citizenship?! (and a starting spot in the AB's!)

I wonder if the anti-ARU sentiment will manifest in the WA crowd if the Wallabies struggle

I cant see it, i expect plenty of blue in the crowd and plenty of anti-ARU placards, but they are not going to turn on the Wobs.

Might as well play it in NZ as Perth.

I think you will find they would 1000x prefer to play in Perth rather than Eden Park!!
 
If I was the ARU I would play most of my home games in Darwin. And set up a super rugby franchise there.
Based on two points.
•Darwin has been neglected from prof rugby for too long
•if a (home) team gets used to Darwin they will have Home ground advantage like nothing seen before. Oppositions team will struggle to cope with the conditions.
 
If I was the ARU I would play most of my home games in Darwin.

Sheer genius!

(Living in the NT I can also tell you there are lots of indigenous kids who have a lot of potential as rugby players. )
 
Seeing the ABs just now confirms to me that they probably weren't in top gear against the Aussies. So I'm feeling a little more confident that the Boks should have the edge here.
 
Wallabies looking the sharper so far. Boks playing more territorial and set piece orientated than against France and Argentina which I find a bit disappointing. Looser play is where they have had their recent success.
 
Good game so far, loving the intensity from the aussies, but their breakdown play is failing them. Bokke surprisingly calm under pressure, but need to get some ball in hand, those territorial kicks are hurting us at the moment. Think we are struggling on defense, seems we're weary of the chip and such because the defense is not rushing up. Rhule has his moments, but he is standing off important tackles and his drift is inadequate for the task at hand imo, his inside numbers should be handling Beale and co. Also, those quick 1 - 2 flat passes from the Aussies are brilliant, really keeping us guessing, especially when cut out or switch is on.
 
Very frustrating to me. I think we are seeing that AC is obsessed by territorial play to the extent he will change a winning formula. The more expansive play of the last five matches has slowly reduced with each match. I suspect those tactics were forced on him by the SARU after the Indaba episode. Italy and Scotland gouged the Wallabie defence with ball in hand, so the Boks should be doing the same.
 
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I'm calling a draw right now.

Great call!!

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Awesome stuff, despite the errors.

Etzebeth and Psdt had a ripper, sad to say Lood gave me some nasty flashbacks with his play, that ball squirting out smacks of him having not corrected his play. Once again the replacements contributed enormously. The centres had a great game, Kriel not so lateral and when he was it was because a switch was on, and Serfontein with awesome defence and a few great quick breaks.

Cronje was a bit off from what we've come to appreciate, but Hougaard was not able to change much in the halfback department. Thaught Elton had a good game on defense and with ball in hand, but his territorial game was sub-par and it probably cost us the win. This game has convinced me we need a change at 15, Coetzee is hurting us.

Respect to Rhule for his individual moments of brilliance but between standing off on defence, and not having a kicking game he shouldn't be first choice, specialist wingers are not going to work as well against the wobs and kiwis as the French and Pumas imo which means in my mind that 15 needs to be much more skilled and versatile than Coetzee of late. Skosan under the high ball was dreadful, I didn't notice it as much against the French or Pumas but with the pressure the Aussies put him under it became quite blatant

Cassiem has not managed to convince me of his worth one bit, Jaco Kriel and Marx are cut from the same cloth and both have proven their worth. Kolisi had a good game even though he was quieter than usual, some great hands and toe-throughs as well as solid defence.

Scrums were okay, I'm pleased we got the ascension eventually and Kitshoff proved what he's worth with a solid performance off the bench.

Lineouts were great, a few missed squiff throws but once the ball started hitting the outside shoulder or arm the jig was up. I think this was thanks to Etzebeth being such a rash with his contest, very pleased. After they started defending the maul better toward the death we should sent it over the top or down the line to keep them guessing.

Kicking for space during the first half starved us of opportunity, only able to score off mistakes, thank goodness for Aus not handling the breakdown effectively. It's a shame we did not realise the hungry Aus defense was weak around fringes, could've broken the line many times during the first half and freed up space for the back line to play once the defense got tighter.

As I said previously a loss to Aus at home isn't a train smash in terms of our development and the tournament, and a draw is a luxury. Hopefully AC takes this lesson to heart and trusts his men more with ball in hand. I thought the bokke kept their heads when things got really tough and the comeback was wonderfully executed with confidence. Even though this result shows we'll probably be outclassed by them to an extent, bring on the kiwis!
 
Pretty ordinary match. Difficult to think of the last time there was a cracker between these two.

The Boks forwards were good but the back line didn't pitch, whereas the Wallabies back line were good considering their forwards didn't pitch.
 
Respect to Rhule for his individual moments of brilliance but between standing off on defence, and not having a kicking game he shouldn't be first choice, specialist wingers are not going to work as well against the wobs and kiwis as the French and Pumas imo which means in my mind that 15 needs to be much more skilled and versatile than Coetzee of late. Skosan under the high ball was dreadful, I didn't notice it as much against the French or Pumas but with the pressure the Aussies put him under it became quite blatant
I agree with you about Rhule. His unorthodox style gives me the heebie jeebies but to his credit he's had a couple good touches. Skosan on the other hand has enough going for him to be kept in the starting line-up. His wing seems secure for the most part.
Combrink needs to be involved in the back 3 somewhere, maybe even at 15.
 
Pretty ordinary match.

Perhaps I'm delusional or just optimistic, but I disagree. Sure, it wasn't a cracker in the traditional sense, in terms of a showcase of skills on the highest of stages etc, but I think there's plenty reason to believe the match was unusually positive.

I thought Aus was very imaginative of attack, and yes, the backs were firing and did a lot of the work but the forwards also did their jobs. Perhaps a bold statement but I'd say it's pretty well known by now that the saffas would bring their A game in the forward department, and the scrum was surprisingly static at stages (considering how we scrummed against Argentina, and to a lesser degree, the Aussies against the kiwis), with Aus not being able to absorb the second shove as well as they would've liked. Sure, the Aus forwards weren't punching "huge" holes on attack but there was some great drives at stages and they did well in the mauls, the boks defense was really physical, it would've taken a lot to dominate them imo and the Wallabies forwards could be forgiven for having a bad day on attack. The breakdown, however, was another story, and I would agree that the Aus forwards did not rise to the occasion.

As for the boks backs not firing, I think had a lot to do with our Shoddy kicking game. If we played more up front and with ball actually in hand it might've opened it up more for the backs. Elton was playing a style he was forced into, you could see how uncomfortable he was and that hurt the backs imo. Not to mention Aus was very alert on defense, and the backs were going to have problems breaching the line with little platform set from the forwards with the way the first half was being managed. Despite their lack of play etc, I still think they were not ordinary in terms of traditional bok backs.

I think it was a good game, with an improved Aus standing up and showing us they still want to play rugga and from an SA perspective we got our challenge and have seen the chinks in our own armour as well as dispelled some illusions.

These teams are different but are on similarly even footing after both rallying after a slump in form, the ending was great because both teams could've easily taken it despite the boks being in the dangerzone imo. I liked the passion from both teams, like Aus scoring right after conceding or SA not letting the disappointment defeat them rather than the opposition as they tended to do in Australasia in the past.

I think it's nice we had a match where both teams could be optimistic about their chances rather than one being heavy favourites and the other being woeful. Not a cracker, but because of this game the return fixture may just be! I think the match deserves a better assessment than just ordinary, however, I can see why you made that assessment as well.

Skosan on the other hand has enough going for him to be kept in the starting line-up. His wing seems secure for the most part.
Combrink needs to be involved in the back 3 somewhere, maybe even at 15.

I agree about Skosan and I've sung his praises in the past but perhaps his role needs a slight tweak if Combrinck or Leyds come into the starting squad at wing. I think Combrinck at 15 would do us a lot of good but I think we would then still need someone at 14 with a good kicking and aerial game so I'd rather Coetzee stayed at 15 so Combrinck could shore us up on the wing. AC shot himself in the foot by not including a solid replacement 14 for this match imo, now any shoring up he does on the wings will be more of a gamble, especially against NZ where seemingly, a change in personnel is most needed.

Edit: Coenie apparently broke his arm, he came back on after Nyakane was sent to the blood bin!
 
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Well the thing I worried about proved to be the Wobblies downfall, consistency. They completely lost their way after so much improvement in the last game and a half against the AB's. The support play was back to its worst, the accuracy of passes gone, the rubbish kicking crept back into the game. It was a really disappointing slip backwards and makes a waste of all the hard work dont to get the team playing as well as it was before last night.

The only positive I saw for the Wallabies was that they did maintain the improved defencive patterns from the last game.

I am not sure how they came away with a draw playing that badly, in some ways it might have been better had they lost - it might have focussed them a bit more on how badly they played.

SA will be happy to salvage a draw, it keeps them in the race for second in the RC.
 
I was impressed with Jantjies, he didn't put a foot wrong in the first half. He looked confident but I'm not sure about his hair cut. He kept turning the Wallabies around and finding the wingers out of position. It was old school territorial rugby but he was racking up the yardage with his kicking. I wonder how much of his improved play is because he has Handre pollard breathing down his neck?
I'm not convinced by Serfontein at second five, he made a couple of good runs but his pace wasn't exciting or electric and he had support but he didn't make much effort to look for it and went to ground losing momentum and ultimately possession. At least one try went begging.
The Beast had his best game for a while, his defence was strong.
Kriel looked hungry and made some good choices.
Who is this guy Siya Kolisi? I thought he had a strong game on attack and defence, he looks like a quality find.
A draw away in Aussie, not a bad effort.

The Wallabies will be rueing the lost opportunities and last pass. The scrambling Bokke defence did the business to keep the Aussies out but just a little bit of composure and the Wallabies would have pinched it.
Great to see so much Force representation in the ground. Banners and shirts. Great stuff.
 
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