[2015 Super Rugby] Hurricanes vs. Chiefs (Round 14) 16/05/2015

[Amobokoboko]

Yes pity about that last try / knock on. Good game tho.

 

[Larksea]

im disappointed, I thought Glen Jackson was not only the best ref in NZ but right up there with the worlds best. I would have expected him to have the balls to overrule that poor TMO call for the yellow card and also rule that final knock-on try correctly and see the hurricane player clearly play the ball on the ground causing a knock on. At the very least that's a penalty to the chiefs and a yellow card to the offending player for cynical play on the line. Given the chiefs scored you could even argue penalty try.

Then there was the missed illegal and dangerous clean out by goodes on allardice that will at the very least end allardice's season through injury. Completely missed by the officials.

 

[Jaguares]

Nonu is on fire

 

[Larksea]

yeah Nonu's for has been fantastic, good news in WC year. I think this is maybe the best he has played in Super rugby.

 

[Kiwi_]

The 'old firm' Smith and Nonu are the best midfield combination ever.

 

[austingtir]

I thought the refs were wrong on two important points for both teams the hurricanes try that was disallowed for a forward pass which I thought was pretty dubious didnt look any worse than any other all year. And the Chiefs obviously hard done by on the ground.

 

[Coastie]

Lucky win for the mighty Canes, creeping every closer to home town finals I reckon they need one more win and a couple of bonus points, should pretty much wrap things up against the Blues next Sat.

 

[Larksea]

no one else has any comment on the Allardice cleanout by Reg Goodes?

Goodes basically came into the back of the ruck and made direct and targeted shoulder to knee contact on Allardice and completely blew his knee.

I think its the worse act I've seen on a rugby field for a long time. Worse than all the yellow or red carded tip tackles we have seen this season. Allardice will probably carry this through his whole career. Yet no-one is even talking about it?

 

[Five Meters Out]

I was at the game, don't recall the Goodes incident and have not seen a replay on TV.
"Worst act on a rugby field for a long time" ?? That bad you reckon?

I must also mention my loathing of the TMO system. It completely spoils the game in that you no longer immediately celebrate a try, but now look to the Ref wondering what he will do.

 

[Larksea]

"That bad you reckon?"

no doubt in my mind, and I think anyone brushing it off as a freak accident is naive.

You have a guy over the ball guarding at the back of a ruck, an opposition players goes right around the side to the back of the ruck and makes targeted shoulder to knee contact and drove through. Allardice's Knee was absolutely obliterated.

 

[InsaneAsylum]

Larksea is right, poor form by Goodes. Awful to watch on replay too.

Unlucky Chiefs, should have been a penalty/yellow card/penalty try and the game to the Chiefs

 

[Coastie]

no one else has any comment on the Allardice cleanout by Reg Goodes?

Goodes basically came into the back of the ruck and made direct and targeted shoulder to knee contact on Allardice and completely blew his knee.

I think its the worse act I've seen on a rugby field for a long time. Worse than all the yellow or red carded tip tackles we have seen this season. Allardice will probably carry this through his whole career. Yet no-one is even talking about it?

Have to admit Goodes lined up Allardice with some intent. It's gone to the board, expecting six weeks plus for Goodes.

FMO probably the incident will show up on youtube, very ugly.

 

[nzlizard]

Link to said tackle

 

[nickdnz]

I missed the tackle so I can't comment.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/68637557/hurricanes-prop-reggie-goodes-banned-for-a-week

Looks like he got a whole week!

Very descript reasoning behind their process.

 

[Larksea]

the description of the event and explanation for it only being a week are complete and utter bulldust. Trying to say some subtle movement caused Goodes to miss a legal entry point by ~2meters?

These aren't fools running around with their heads cut off, they practice leaning rucks week in week out and know exactly what they are hitting and do it with accuracy.

The way the ruck was setup there was no way Goodes could legally cleanout Allardice. Smoke and fancy words to coverup what is probably the worst case of foul play by a NZ player in a long time.

The fact Allardice was the last remaining lock in the chiefs made him and ideal target.

"Sanzar's citing commissioner deemed the incident had met the red card threshold for foul play."

on field it was ignored and the Hurricanes won a penalty and scored 3 points.

From Chiefs twitter: "Lock Michael Allardice ruptured his medial ligament in his left knee in last nights match-expected to be out for the remainder of the season"

 

[austingtir]

the description of the event and explanation for it only being a week are complete and utter bulldust. Trying to say some subtle movement caused Goodes to miss a legal entry point by ~2meters?

These aren't fools running around with their heads cut off, they practice leaning rucks week in week out and know exactly what they are hitting and do it with accuracy.

The way the ruck was setup there was no way Goodes could legally cleanout Allardice. Smoke and fancy words to coverup what is probably the worst case of foul play by a NZ player in a long time.

The fact Allardice was the last remaining lock in the chiefs made him and ideal target.

"Sanzar's citing commissioner deemed the incident had met the red card threshold for foul play."

on field it was ignored and the Hurricanes won a penalty and scored 3 points.

From Chiefs twitter: "Lock Michael Allardice ruptured his medial ligament in his left knee in last nights match-expected to be out for the remainder of the season"

End of the day there is no real law like in league to not allow this type of double tackle. And I think you're very overcooked on your accusations against Goodes. I saw it when it was live and it was ugly sure, malicious intent im not so sure. We get multiple cases of players entering rucks from that angle in every game (infact damn near every ruck has a player gettin upended in a fashion that goodes might of been trying to attempt but failed). Until they bring in yet another ridiculous law to cover this **** happens imo.

Worst case of foul play in NZ for a long time.... whatever. Crappiest luck for a player in NZ in a long time yes.

He was clearly aiming to clear out not damage his knee on purpose! It was illegal no doubt (because of entry) about it but certainly no real intent imo.

http://tvnz.co.nz/rugby-news/hurricanes-prop-banned-foul-play-against-chiefs-6314936/video

What really needs to be cleaned up and why this came about is every damn player coming through rucks from the attacking side to clear out however they feel like it (and 9 times out of 10 they get away with it). This happens constantly in every damn game and it just so happens someone has finally cocked it up well and truly.

When you get two teams of players competing so hard for the turnover at every instance like this somethings got to give....

Fact is the rucks are just a bloody mess.

 

[nickdnz]

Thanks for posting the vid.

I don't think it was intentionally malicious. Allardice's leg moved three times (from being planted, to in the air, to replanted) when Goodes made contact, while Goodes head was down when originally making contact (so presumably thought his leg was in the original spot). It was either done with surgical precision to the point he estimated where Allardice's leg would move to in the midst of making contact - or it was a horrible accident). It was a side entry - but there are plenty of those in a game,

The fact it was an avoidable injury caused by illegal play is a reason for the ban (it was reckless) - but I don't believe it was the attempt to injure Larksea is making it out to be.

 

[Icemn]

is matchfixing involved?

i didnt see the entire 2nd half, saw like snippets of it... they have the technology to go back and review while still playing the game... why was the try disallowed to be deemed forward? didnt they review? did they disallow the try before reviewing the pass?

did jackson and co then try to make up for the mistake by denying the chiefs a try? for the illegal infringement by the cane player while on the ground?

if not match fixing then something is really wrong in the game of rugby :? im not sure how you can get decisions like this still wrong in 2015

regarding the injury on Allardice i also dont think there was malicious intent... now if that was a SA player, you would certainly think twice about it, but you can see by looking at the footage, it just has a bad outcome

 

[Jaguares]

Not many Chiefs supporters in Wellington? A poor crowd for a big game

 

[Larksea]

Vinny Munro getting the next round off after his efforts in this game.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/...d-as-sanzar-rebukes-its-super-rugby-officials

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is matchfixing involved?

i didnt see the entire 2nd half, saw like snippets of it... they have the technology to go back and review while still playing the game... why was the try disallowed to be deemed forward? didn't they review? did they disallow the try before reviewing the pass?

did jackson and co then try to make up for the mistake by denying the chiefs a try? for the illegal infringement by the cane player while on the ground?

if not match fixing then something is really wrong in the game of rugby :? im not sure how you can get decisions like this still wrong in 2015

regarding the injury on Allardice i also dont think there was malicious intent... now if that was a SA player, you would certainly think twice about it, but you can see by looking at the footage, it just has a bad outcome

the disallowed try with the forward pass was never allowed, it was reviewed straight away. And the pass was forward, it was the correct call.

You know Goodes is South African right?

there were 5 big moments in the game which involved refereeing, 2 went against the canes and 3 against the chiefs.

the two against the canes while some would consider harsh or line calls they were both basically correct. You couldn't say they were incorrect calls.

The three that went against the chiefs all were clearly wrong/bad calls. The yellow card on squire for lifting Jackson thought it was minor as it was but the TMO overruled him and said it should be a yellow when it clearly wasn't. Nonu wasn't lifted above horizontal and he didn't land on his head, arms or shoulders. The camera angle was very poor for this call and that should have been taken into consideration.

The other two incidents were flat out ref disasters, a missed red card on Goodes and a missed yellow card on the other canes prop at the end of the game.