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[2015 Six Nations] Wales vs England (Round 1)

Bloody hell ! I'm on a weeks holiday at the moment and my days are all messed up ! I'm going to blame it on Warren Gatland for naming his team early and throwing me off my days ! Haha

Mind games mate, he's beaten you.
 
It seems that both Cipriani and Easter will make the bench- now assuming that either Nowell or Watson have the 23 shirt, then who will cover inside centre if Burrell/Twelvetrees come off injured?
If Joseph comes off then either May or Nowell can play 13, but neither Cipriani or Ford can play at IC (like Farrell has done in this eventuality)... or can they?
 
It seems that both Cipriani and Easter will make the bench- now assuming that either Nowell or Watson have the 23 shirt, then who will cover inside centre if Burrell/Twelvetrees come off injured?
If Joseph comes off then either May or Nowell can play 13, but neither Cipriani or Ford can play at IC (like Farrell has done in this eventuality)... or can they?

I have a feeling Burrell or 36 will have the other shirt because 36 in theory covers 10.

so if ford goes injured, 36 to 10, if 36 gets injured Burrell to 12. if burrell gets injured 36 to 12.

so bench of Care, Burrell, Watson/Nowell
 
I have a feeling Burrell or 36 will have the other shirt because 36 in theory covers 10.

so if ford goes injured, 36 to 10, if 36 gets injured Burrell to 12. if burrell gets injured 36 to 12.

so bench of Care, Burrell, Watson/Nowell

I know that this isn't what you're suggesting personally but...

It just seems madness to have as your 10 cover, a guy who wouldn't even have been in the 23 if it wasn't for the other injuries which have occurred. To have them in preference to Cipriani just borders on insanity.
 
I know that this isn't what you're suggesting personally but...

It just seems madness to have as your 10 cover, a guy who wouldn't even have been in the 23 if it wasn't for the other injuries which have occurred.

To have them in preference to Cipriani just borders on insanity.

Well in fairness, Cirpriani is only in due to injury isn't he?

It's just a feeling i have, 36 for me covers more positions - the other options is to not have any back three cover and go Care, Cips, Burrell.

Cips covering 10 & 15, Burrell covering 12/13/11/14

which also seems pretty plausible imho, i just have that feeling they love 36 more than they love Cipriani



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personally i'd go:

20: Care, 21: Cip, 22: 36

That's if we're all agreed JJ will start and it won't be 36 & Burrell
 
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There was talk of Easter covering backrow and second row. What's the likelihood of have 4 backs on the bench?
Or has Goode had and game time at 12. I just don't really want to see 36 near the matchday 22
 
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I can see it being a disaster if 36 has to play ten, although I can see the reasoning. He's not really "cover" except in the loosest possible he-can-but-I-hope-to-God-he-doesn't-have-to sense, is he? How much has he played there in the Prem?
 
Also all the injuries, Slade must be an outside bet as he can cover 10, 12 and 13
 
There was talk of Easter covering backrow and second row. What's the likelihood of have 4 backs on the bench?
Or has Goode had and game time at 12. I just don't really want to see 36 near the matchday 22

oh god! i forgot Goode was still with them - maybe they'll use him to cover 10 & 15?

no problems with 36 being in their, he's out of form but probably the most complete player out of all of them.

Can't see four backs on the bench myself.

Think Easter may even start, what's the point of him on the bench?

Backrow of 6: Vunipola, 7: Robshaw, 8 Easter anyone?
 
no problems with 36 being in their, he's out of form but probably the most complete player out of all of them.

Can't see four backs on the bench myself.

Think Easter may even start, what's the point of him on the bench?

Backrow of 6: Vunipola, 7: Robshaw, 8 Easter anyone?

36 has had his chance with England and not taken in.

Also with that backrow I'd worry about the breakdown. I think reports are that Easter (and Cips) are on the bench
 
You've been touting that one for a while haven't you! I actually quite like it for balance, as long as our locks can be counted on to do a lot of breakdown work. Lacks a fetcher, but what's new there ... ? I can't see it happening though.

I also forgot about Goode. Not sure if the extra position covered will make much difference though, he doesn't cover 10 any better than 36 does, and Watson can cover 15 anyway.
 
To be fair, I reckon he'd have had more England players in front had there not been a few injuries. My comparison (gonna compare looseheads together and tightheads together instead):

Marler > Jenkins
Hartley < Hibbard
Cole > Lee
Kruis < AWJ (Launchbury = AWJ)
Attwood > Ball
Haskell < Lydiate
Robshaw = Warburton
Vunipola = Faletau (but Morgan > Faletau)
Wigglesworth < Webb
Ford < Biggar
May > North (come at me)
Twelvetrees < Roberts
Joseph = Davies (but Tuilagi > Davies)
Watson > Cuthbert
Brown = Halfpenny

Individually, the players are actually quite equal in my books. However, I think doing this understates the value of players compared as units. The Welsh advantage in the half-backs could be game-winning, and I also think that the Welsh backrow is much better balanced and that the physicality in defence through the backline will be much higher. Meanwhile, I don't think it encapsulates the advantage that England have in the set piece, the pressure put on by the pack and the (imo) stronger bench.

Warburton a far better 7 than Robshaw. Haskell and Hartley currently better than Hibbard and Lydiate. The Welsh back row isn't that well balanced either even to the English, there's no major ball carrying weapon like Vunipola.
 
You've been touting that one for a while haven't you! I actually quite like it for balance, as long as our locks can be counted on to do a lot of breakdown work. Lacks a fetcher, but what's new there ... ? I can't see it happening though.

I also forgot about Goode. Not sure if the extra position covered will make much difference though, he doesn't cover 10 any better than 36 does, and Watson can cover 15 anyway.

the backrow i want is:

6: Vunipola, 7: Wood, 8: Morgan 1 out of three ain't bad i suppose :(

I personally wouldn't pick Goode, just think they may go for him as they seem to love him and dislike cipriani. I'd rather have Cirpriani cover 15 than Goode cover 10 that's for sure.

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Warburton a far better 7 than Robshaw. Haskell and Hartley currently better than Hibbard and Lydiate. The Welsh back row isn't that well balanced either even to the English, there's no major ball carrying weapon like Vunipola.

thats what they use Hibbard, Jones and Ball for. in theory that lets their Backrow concentrate on the loose game.

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36 has had his chance with England and not taken in.

Also with that backrow I'd worry about the breakdown. I think reports are that Easter (and Cips) are on the bench

yeah, it's not my choice, i'm just wondering out loud.
 
I also forgot about Goode. Not sure if the extra position covered will make much difference though, he doesn't cover 10 any better than 36 does, and Watson can cover 15 anyway.

I'd rather see Goode play 10 than Twelvetrees by a considerable margin. Twelvetrees has a lot more experience of it, but Goode actually looks like a 10 when he plays there, is far less erratic, and offers a huge amount more to the territorial kicking game I see coming up.

That said, I think I use a centre as 23, with Joseph shuffling wide and a winger going to full-back if needed, and a fly-half at 22.
 
Warburton a far better 7 than Robshaw. Haskell and Hartley currently better than Hibbard and Lydiate. The Welsh back row isn't that well balanced either even to the English, there's no major ball carrying weapon like Vunipola.

Spot on as usual.

To add:

Ford and Biggar strikes me as exceptionally close, with Biggar having been in the time of his life for Wales of late and Ford on an upwards curve. If Biggar gets it (which I believe he does) its on the basis of experience.

May is very talented and is really maturing as an international. He still isn't quite going to have the same impact on games as North.

Joseph and Davies are so so hard to compare. I prefer Joseph long term over Davies and he's seriously talented; at this point in time, though he's the one with it to prove at international level where Davies already looks an accomplished international 13.

Brown has a higher ceiling than Halfpenny (my opinion only). But, Halfpenny is consistently influential for Wales.

Cuthbert's one of those strange cases where there is such a difference in perception between Wales and the rest of the world!
in terms of what he's accomplished with Wales, he strikes me as a more experienced verysion of Burrell in that he's arguably had more impact playing internationally than at club level... there's a question in my mind whether Cuthbert brings his own talent or lives off of that of those around him. Jury's out. Watson is another with huge talent but I'd say that I'm worried for him starting this game in the Millenium Stadium - could be brutal for him.

Cole is an unknown in coming back in to international rugby. Apparently he's looked excellent, but he wouldn't have started if not for Wilsons injury. Is he ready?

the backrow i want is:

6: Vunipola, 7: Wood, 8: Morgan 1 out of three ain't bad i suppose :(

That's an exceptionally strange back-row...
Not sure why you'd have wood at 7 over....anyone, really.
 
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BBC says squad will be announced at 18:00 and Easter and Cips will be on the bench.
 
Spot on as usual.

To add:

Ford and Biggar strikes me as exceptionally close, with Biggar having been in the time of his life for Wales of late and Ford on an upwards curve. If Biggar gets it (which I believe he does) its on the basis of experience.

May is very talented and is really maturing as an international. He still isn't quite going to have the same impact on games as North.

Joseph and Davies are so so hard to compare. I prefer Joseph long term over Davies and he's seriously talented; at this point in time, though he's the one with it to prove at international level where Davies already looks an accomplished international 13.

Brown has a higher ceiling than Halfpenny (my opinion only). But, Halfpenny is consistently influential for Wales.

Cuthbert's one of those strange cases where there is such a difference in perception between Wales and the rest of the world!
in terms of what he's accomplished with Wales, he strikes me as a more experienced verysion of Burrell in that he's arguably had more impact playing internationally than at club level... there's a question in my mind whether Cuthbert brings his own talent or lives off of that of those around him. Jury's out. Watson is another with huge talent but I'd say that I'm worried for him starting this game in the Millenium Stadium - could be brutal for him.

Cole is an unknown in coming back in to international rugby. Apparently he's looked excellent, but he wouldn't have started if not for Wilsons injury. Is he ready?



That's an exceptionally strange back-row...
Not sure why you'd have wood at 7 over....anyone, really.

Wood last year was playing a 7 role. His breakdown work was amazing.

This season he has been dire to be honest. He has lost some weight and changed the way he plays massively.
I wonder if jim malinder who has wanted wood to focus on a certain position (6) and got Clarke playing his original position of 7?

Who knows
 
Wood last year was playing a 7 role. His breakdown work was amazing.

This season he has been dire to be honest. He has lost some weight and changed the way he plays massively.
I wonder if jim malinder who has wanted wood to focus on a certain position (6) and got Clarke playing his original position of 7?

Who knows

Yeah, don't get me wrong in 2011 he owuld have been my preferred choice to play 7 for England....but not now.
EW're all largely agreed that your 7 doesn't need to be as good a pilfering as Pocock, but Wood is just in no way good enough over the ball to play this role.
 

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