Oh yea ? Methinks there will be more than a few members of the Tartan Army in attendance and this coupled with the rugby sensitive credentials of the locals should make it a positive start for the boys in blue ! Biggest downer for those of us unable to travel is the abysmal , parochial coverage of ITV . Disappointing in comparison with other channels . Don't expect they will show high lights of the 2004 encounter at McDiarmid Park . Half those points will suffice !
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[2015 RWC] Pool B: Scotland vs. Japan (23/09/2015)
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Who would have thought that this fixture would be so exciting? I hope that both countries stick to their ball-in-hand attacking mentality. Also, Vern Cotter should prove a harder tactical challenge to Eddie Jones than Heyneke Meyers.
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Love to see Japan go through to the 1/4 finals, regardless of the result in this match Scots can beat the Boks and qualify as well, I didn't see much to get worried about by Samoa and USA, think I might check at the bookies odds on Japan and Scotland to qualify.
By the way the 2 stand out bets in the next 6 days are Japan V Scotland, Japan have 16pt start on the handicap and are evens.
Wales have a 16pt start V England and are 10/11.
Next best bets Oz to bt Fiji with -26 point start evens.
Canada have a 19pt head start V Italy and are also 10/11.
By the way the 2 stand out bets in the next 6 days are Japan V Scotland, Japan have 16pt start on the handicap and are evens.
Wales have a 16pt start V England and are 10/11.
Next best bets Oz to bt Fiji with -26 point start evens.
Canada have a 19pt head start V Italy and are also 10/11.
Karne Hesketh used to play for Otago, he's the man, great to see him score the winner. Tanaka actually helped talk him into joining the Japanese National team. Half the team is Kiwi, it explains why they're so good
True-except for the bit where over two thirds are Japanese.
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Who is offering that price on Wales? The only price I can find on that cap is a much more realistic 4/11. I'm not a fan of backing short odds, but I can see the attraction of backing Wales +24 at 1/9.
With regard to the other bets you mention, it now gets to the stage where squad depth and schedule become a factor, for this reason, I like the bet on Australia. Not sure I'm that keen on the others.
Answers on the back of a postcard if you can suggest a palatable way of ensuring a level playing field for all sides in the tournament!
Cotter announces his team for the Japan game . Hogg declared fit and will fill no.15 shirt . All Embra front row Dickinson/Ford/Nel with Gilchrist partnering Johnnie Gray in the boiler house . Denton at No 8 with Josh MacStraus on the bench. Good looking line up - bring em on !
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Right the result I would love is Japan win 25-24 in the last minute but I don't think it will.
I would predict a big Scotland win 35-15, a few reasons behind this-
-Japan's kicking to Hogg not Kirchener. Hogg will run the ball long, I would predict him to get 100+m. The Japanese kicked very long and the chase wasn't good enough, Kirchener just kicked long and didn't punish them.
-Pollard was very effective in his short cameo, Russell is a similar 10 in the way he attacks the line. Bennett would also thrive on any half breaks.
-The Scottish backline is very quick, if they don't do a south Africa and play the ball wide regularly and stretch the Japanese defence they will score tries.
-The turn around is just too short. They have been on cloud nine, but now it will be very hard to get back to reality.
I would predict a big Scotland win 35-15, a few reasons behind this-
-Japan's kicking to Hogg not Kirchener. Hogg will run the ball long, I would predict him to get 100+m. The Japanese kicked very long and the chase wasn't good enough, Kirchener just kicked long and didn't punish them.
-Pollard was very effective in his short cameo, Russell is a similar 10 in the way he attacks the line. Bennett would also thrive on any half breaks.
-The Scottish backline is very quick, if they don't do a south Africa and play the ball wide regularly and stretch the Japanese defence they will score tries.
-The turn around is just too short. They have been on cloud nine, but now it will be very hard to get back to reality.
One swallow does not make a summer and am sure Japan has more to come . The infusion of residentially qualified players has altered the overall game plan . The All Blacks and Aussies suck in the South Sea talent . Engerland aint far behind . Japan has fallen into line and in fairness has produced a successful unit . Scotland has MacStraus , Nel ,Denton and Visser but with a population of 5 million this is a matter of necessity rather than choice. Gather the rules may change to a 5 year residency instead of the current 3 years . Probably a fair move .
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Yes with our whole 3 foreign born players in the squad, 1 of whom isn't from the south seas. As opposed to your 11
http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-news/fascinating-rugby-world-cup-stats-10052033
You do know what they say about those in glass houses right?
Ahem - geography may not be your strong point - we aint Wales - we are that we place North of Carlisle ! Freedom !!!
My reading &computer use is clearly better....considering I can open a web page up and scroll down....
And the answer is gobbleygook !! Freedom !
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Corals at West Bromwich 1pm today +16 10/11
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I like the idea of 5 years residency qualification.
All our players grew up in NZ, went through the NZ rugby coaching system and then evolved into the provincial and then Super Rugby stages.
5 years works for us.
That would give us a better chance of keeping our players from the likes of Japan who have a history of poaching top Kiwi players into their professional leagues. Jerome Kaino only returned last year from a jaunt in the Japanese wilderness. They offer BIG salaries in Japan.
All our players grew up in NZ, went through the NZ rugby coaching system and then evolved into the provincial and then Super Rugby stages.
5 years works for us.
That would give us a better chance of keeping our players from the likes of Japan who have a history of poaching top Kiwi players into their professional leagues. Jerome Kaino only returned last year from a jaunt in the Japanese wilderness. They offer BIG salaries in Japan.
As much as I like increasing residency (and removing grandparent clauses) - it would have no effect on keeping players like Kaino. The Japan pro-league is in no way related to the national team in terms of selections.
I can't think of any kiwi born Japan player that would likely have made the All Blacks...Scotland are probably more guilty in this regard.
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What are you on about?
I get the residency increase thing, but to claim that Japan are poaching top players, it ridiculous.
As said none of the NZ born players for Japan would be all blacks.
The increase in residency would have fuk all effect on top NZ players. Not being poach by Japanese clubs any way why because it is about money Kaino left for money nothing else.
In fact only one of there NZ players have not lived in Japan longer than 5 years anyway.
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The bigger picture is that most Kiwis (and for that matter other foreign born players playing in national teams) is that they know way in advance that they will never represent their own country. In the case of the Kiwi guys, they also know they are may not be that likely to get a permanent Super Rugby contract either. So they go overseas to make money, enjoy it over there, stay longer, do well, and then the chance to qualify for residency comes up - why not take it? Changing it to five years wouldn't change anything in terms of player retention IMO. The same players will leave for the same reasons. It will just take them longer to qualify. Sure there are some exceptions but in the case of Japan it would be unlikely to change anything in the majority of cases.
I think it is good for world rugby. Let's face it, its not a sport like soccer in terms of how competitive it is. I hat to say it, but I highly doubt Japan would have beaten SA if it wasn't for all the foreign born players, and we would have been robbed of arguably the greatest ever result in world rugby. Over time these players will help grow the game as well.
The other thing we don't hear about is the thousands of other Kiwis playing all over the world in more random places/leagues. A few of my mates from the Manawatu region played in Spain, Guernsey, lower leagues in Japan and Korea. All would have helped to build the game in one way or another.
As for Kaino, like Nick said, changing residency requirements is irrelevant in his case (and most other really high profile guys). He took up that short term contract for the $ not for a chance to play for Japan and he always had the intention of coming home to play for the ABs again. SBW, Nonu, and Messam are other examples I can think of - just guys wanting to make some coin from short term contracts.
Anyway just my 2 cents.
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Still sort of don't get the point of this comment in the thread comes across as disguised NZ circle jerk type comment.
Who the fuk cares about NZ players playing in the lower leagues it gives them just as much of life experience than anything else.
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