[2015 RWC] Pool A: England vs. Australia (03/10/2015)

[The Jones Boy]

If Aussie beat England it will be ALL over Aussie media.
Don't try and tell us it won't be.

Regarding this game, England better not be harbouring secret ideas to spin it wide or they will be on the way out quicker than a Tory peer writes a biography about a pig shagging Prime minister for not getting a cushy desk job.
England MUST keep to tight and rumble it up the guts and get the 3 pointers in a big pile.
Deny Hooper and Pocock the chance to get out wider into the back line.
Pin the yellow and green forwards into a tight mass and grind them.
Therein lies the only way for English success.

 

[spartan32]

And for what it's worth this is my back line

9. Youngs or Care if Youngs not fit
10. Ford
11. May
12. Burgess
13. JJ / Slade
14. Whatson
15. Brown

Bench have wiggy and Knowle who can cover wing, centre and fullback at a push.

 

[kesh]

JJ back training..
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/rugbyunion/article-3253500/England-s-Rugby-World-Cup-hopes-boosted-Jonathan-Joseph-s-return-training.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490

 

[Wendigo7]

9. Youngs
10. Ford
11. May
12. Burgess
13. Joseph
14. Watson
15. Brown

 

[Mrs. Peter Quinn]

If Aussie beat England it will be ALL over Aussie media.
Don't try and tell us it won't be.

Regarding this game, England better not be harbouring secret ideas to spin it wide or they will be on the way out quicker than a Tory peer writes a biography about a pig shagging Prime minister for not getting a cushy desk job.
England MUST keep to tight and rumble it up the guts and get the 3 pointers in a big pile.
Deny Hooper and Pocock the chance to get out wider into the back line.
Pin the yellow and green forwards into a tight mass and grind them.
Therein lies the only way for English success.

Where are you coming from here?
You're right to say that England should play to their own strengths rather trying to play to Australias...
But our strengths are not as straightfoward as you're making out.
Englands 3 pointers don't just come from grinding the ball up and down through the fatties. We need to play to OUR gameplan, which includes getting the ball through the hands and getting our threatening back 3 into the game. We make yards out wide, and if Jonathan Joseph is fit, it's crucial to get him into the game and show what he can do.
In fact, keeping it too tight is the best way to guarantee that Pocock and Hooper have a field day with us when the ball gets too slow.

 

[kesh]

will be

9. Youngs
10. Faz
11. May
12. Barritt
13. Joseph
14. Watson
15. Brown

 

[Don't Skip Leg Day]

I think Lancaster and Farrell will pick

9 wiggles worth
10 barritt
11 Haskell
12 Farrell
13 ford
14 Ben youngs
15 goode

That's a Lancaster pick right there

 

[Icemn]

im going with AUS.... just because Hooper is so handsome

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

If Aussie beat England it will be ALL over Aussie media.
Don't try and tell us it won't be.

Regarding this game, England better not be harbouring secret ideas to spin it wide or they will be on the way out quicker than a Tory peer writes a biography about a pig shagging Prime minister for not getting a cushy desk job.
England MUST keep to tight and rumble it up the guts and get the 3 pointers in a big pile.
Deny Hooper and Pocock the chance to get out wider into the back line.
Pin the yellow and green forwards into a tight mass and grind them.
Therein lies the only way for English success.

Er no... Our most dangerous players are in the back 3 and 13 if jj is fit. Or forwards are some of the worst at the breakdown and poor at making yards. You want us to ignore or most dealt players in favour of a gameplan England have not trained to execute for some time? Or forwards are the ones misfiring the most, the last thing we want to do is let them control the game.

 

[Peat]

Where are you coming from here?
You're right to say that England should play to their own strengths rather trying to play to Australias...
But our strengths are not as straightfoward as you're making out.
Englands 3 pointers don't just come from grinding the ball up and down through the fatties. We need to play to OUR gameplan, which includes getting the ball through the hands and getting our threatening back 3 into the game. We make yards out wide, and if Jonathan Joseph is fit, it's crucial to get him into the game and show what he can do.
In fact, keeping it too tight is the best way to guarantee that Pocock and Hooper have a field day with us when the ball gets too slow.

On the one hand, you're right.

On the other hand, spreading it wide with our pack vs Pocock and Hooper doesn't sound that much fun either.

It's not a comfy situation. Our pack are going to have to play to their very very best if we are to win this.

 

[ncurd]

Yeah because a gameplan focused on defence through the fatties and the 12/13 channel didn't get in trouble last time.....oh wait.

 

[Wendigo7]

Farrell said on England's Youtube that they'll be going for it on Saturday for tries from minutes one.

It's going to be England vs France all over it again from the 6Ns. Difference is, if we win with the same result, we're through.

 

[Jaguares]

Australia needs just a bonus point against the Englishmen. Then they are going to crush comfortably a weak Welsh side. And who knows, even Fiji could win against this Welsh side

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

Farrell said on England's Youtube that they'll be going for it on Saturday for tries from minutes one.

It's going to be England vs France all over it again from the 6Ns. Difference is, if we win with the same result, we're through.

But then Lancaster said England were going for tries this whole competition and to expect a similar attacking play to the French game.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/ru...Cup-similar-to-our-cricketers-against-NZ.html

LOlOlOLololololollololololololoollll.

 

[TheSaffycen]

Difference is the team we are up against is much much better at running rugby. If you try to play fast and loose against Cooper/Giteau/Kuridrani and Folau it will get pretty nasty. I am also suprised more hasn't been made of the Aussie driving maul, I could see them getting a try or 2 if they get a lineout 10m or less from our line.

 

[kesh]

I am also suprised more hasn't been made of the Aussie driving maul, I could see them getting a try or 2 if they get a lineout 10m or less from our line.

They got a lesson from Wales in how to defend em.

 

[Peat]

Difference is the team we are up against is much much better at running rugby. If you try to play fast and loose against Cooper/Giteau/Kuridrani and Folau it will get pretty nasty. I am also suprised more hasn't been made of the Aussie driving maul, I could see them getting a try or 2 if they get a lineout 10m or less from our line.

Very valid point about the maul. Quite embarrassing to have a worse maul than Australia, and that is not down to personnel, that is down to coaching.

 

[spartan32]

What is all this about not running the ball?!! If we can't run the ball now then what are we going to do come Ireland or God forbid NZ. You can't win games through kicked points alone, we have to have players that can get you those 7 points because those are the scores that make the difference in big games. If we just play big lumps eventually a team like Aus will wear us down and start putting tries over us and three pints won't save us then. We have to keep our opposition guessing, if we play route one rugby, a la Wales, then we can expect the same result that Wales have always had against the SH. Namely defeat.

 

[msf]

It´s very easy to predict how this one is going to unfold...if just one of Ford and Joseph isn´t in the starting team, and Slade isn´t, it´s going to be a replay of the autumn international, so it will come down to how much their scrum has improved, and how much ours has deteriorated.

 

[Wendigo7]

Chris Foy ‏@FoyChris 1m1 minute ago
England v Aus (TBC): Brown Watson Joseph Barritt May Farrell BYoungs; Marler TYoungs Cole Parling Launchbury Wood Morgan Robshaw (capt).

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Teams been leaked

Burgess and Ford on the bench

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Has a nice balance to it actually for me. Pretty good in attack and defence, bit more size in the pack.

I've had a good feeling all yesterday and today on the game.