2014 Six Nations: England vs Ireland (Round 3)

[Leonormous Boozer]

Ummmm Burrell is far better than d'arcy at the moment!

May has far more talent than Trimble or d Kearny.

Brown/ Kearny on form is very equal.

From their two meetings this year they both got the better of each other once. And as stated Burrell is playing 13!

He probably does but he isn't defending as well or as good under the high ball as D Kearney is at the moment and his attack isn't that much superior.

Agreed, Kearney is doing the essential fullback jobs better at the moment though.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Trimble is the Irish Strettle.
I'd choose him over actual Strettle, and Ashton, but not much else.

 

[UlsterRugby2012]

Let's all not forget England were playing Scotland - who probably would have been beaten handily by most decent club teams that day.

(regards to the post about how much better the English wings have been)

 

[Peat]

Trimble is the Irish Strettle.
I'd choose him over actual Strettle, and Ashton, but not much else.

You. Me. Fisticuffs. Now.

Tbh, I wouldn't be surprised if Trimble had a little bit of an Indian summer. Watching him for Ulster, he's been very good, very talented, and it's been completely inexplicable why he hasn't stepped up at international record in the same way (although the Irish boys completely forget every good performance by him) as he clearly does have the physical attributes needed.

The two performances he's put in for Schmidt shows he's in a much different place now vis a vis his relationship with the national coach. He's a big, strong player, of the sort that Schmidt likes if you look at his Clermont days. He's clearly worked very hard on the things that Schmidt wants him to do. He's got a few matches to go and prove a point now - if he makes the most of his run early in the coach's plans, I think he might work his way back up the pecking order.

Here's hoping. He's certainly far, far more than the Irish Strettle.

 

[Jockstap]

Ummmm Burrell is far better than d'arcy at the moment!

May has far more talent than Trimble or d Kearny.

Brown/ Kearny on form is very equal.

The problem with that statement is it's a matter of perspective of the man in charge, as in how they want their team to play. Trimble and Kearney Jr are prototype Schmidt players, they have a solid all round game, don't make many mistakes and have a high work rate on and off the ball. May undoubtedly has more x factor, pace and is a better finisher, but do I think Schmidt would choose him over the Irish boys, probably not. It's why Zebo can't get a look in at the moment.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

You. Me. Fisticuffs. Now.

Strettle: 8tries this season in the Prem, 38 tries in his career in the prem (8 seasons).
Trimble: 1 try this season in the Pro12, 35 tries all told in pro12/magners/celtic (9 seasons).

So Strettle's actually better?

 

[Jockstap]

Strettle: 8tries this season in the Prem, 38 tries in his career in the prem (8 seasons).
Trimble: 1 try this season in the Pro12, 35 tries all told in pro12/magners/celtic (9 seasons).

So Strettle's actually better?

I think my previous post answers this question.

 

[Feicarsinn]

Strettle: 8tries this season in the Prem, 38 tries in his career in the prem (8 seasons).
Trimble: 1 try this season in the Pro12, 35 tries all told in pro12/magners/celtic (9 seasons).

So Strettle's actually better?

A dangerous metric for a Mark Cueto fan to use.

 

[Jockstap]

A dangerous metric for a Mark Cueto fan to use.

Lol, I do miss Mark "what's a try?" Cueto playing for England. Good times.

 

[Peat]

A dangerous metric for a Mark Cueto fan to use.

Ouch!

There's never really been any doubt about Strettle's ability as a domestic player, it's his ability to step up - as well you know Olyy - as a domestic comparison is pointless. Trimble's record of 13 tries in 52 international caps (40 starts) isn't exceptional but it's light years beyond Strettle's proven failure.

edit: Plus we all know the Irish don't care about the Rabble Pro and therefore low try counts there are merely a sign that they don't have a f**k to give. Obviously.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

A dangerous metric for a Mark Cueto fan to use.

You mean top try scorer in the history of the premiership Mark Cueto?
Also got 20 tries in 55 caps, so that trumps Trimble's 13 in 52.

There's never really been any doubt about Strettle's ability as a domestic player, it's his ability to step up - as well you know Olyy - as a domestic comparison is pointless.

Take your reason and leave me to WUM in peace!

 

[Draggs]

In what world did David Strettle win 52 caps?

 

[TRF_Olyy]

In what world did David Strettle win 52 caps?

Sorry, that should say O'Strettle

 

[Feicarsinn]

Unfortunately Matt Banahan and Paul Sackey ate right into his caps haul.

 

[Draggs]

Mass Banahan. He should start in every backline position. Hell, second row as well.

 

[munstermuffin]

I think Feic is right like if we are honest Kearney isn't an international standard wing and Trimble is a "fill a gap" winger at this level but thing is Schmidt doesn't needs the players at that level but to perform the role of his system which is at this level and maybe this is where issue with Zebo is. Schmidt doesn't see him as disciplined to be in this role. Same for Gilroy. They're guys who like to play off the cuff but Schmidt doesn't want that style. Felix Jones has been reserve back or 24th man for last 2 games. He isn't a winger but fits that same bill of disciplined. Schmidt wants guys for his system rather than adapt system for others

 

[snoopy snoopy dog dog]

Schmidt wants guys for his system rather than adapt system for others

Well that's a load of ********. At Leinster he achieved results via exciting back play. Thus far for Ireland it's been through the pack. Clearly that shows an inability and unwillingness to adapt to his personnel...................

 

[Feicarsinn]

I think Feic is right like if we are honest Kearney isn't an international standard wing and Trimble is a "fill a gap" winger at this level but thing is Schmidt doesn't needs the players at that level but to perform the role of his system which is at this level and maybe this is where issue with Zebo is. Schmidt doesn't see him as disciplined to be in this role. Same for Gilroy. They're guys who like to play off the cuff but Schmidt doesn't want that style. Felix Jones has been reserve back or 24th man for last 2 games. He isn't a winger but fits that same bill of disciplined. Schmidt wants guys for his system rather than adapt system for others

Your belief that Schmidt makes players play to a certain system and doesn't tolerate anything else would indicate that you haven't watch a Leinster game in about 4 years mate.

 

[munstermuffin]

Ye both misinterpreted my words. I'm not saying Schmidt is ruling out Zebo or Gilroy but he has system and roles that these guys are performing. He doesn't think Zebo or Gilroy in my view are 2 who will be disciplined to do these YET (possibly as neither has ever attended a camp with him). It's nothing like saying he wants robots or limited guys. Never said either back play for Leinster wasn't exciting but basically he doesn't want Zebo doing flair etc if he can't do main roles he wants too. Would ye not agree?
And may I add Snoop I never said he had just 1 plan and no plan b but in each plan he has roles. And basically for same way POM has benefitted Zebo hasn't.

 

[Big Ewis]

Mass Banahan. He should start in every backline position. Hell, second row as well.

I know the one you speak of. And he isn't appreciated as he rightfully should by his peers for they do not comprehend and lose themselves in trite detailed, lively yet boring debates but in all that they don't see....the importance of teh MASS.
Thank you Draggs for offering your arm for this !