[2014 Mid-Year Tests] New Zealand vs England (2nd Test)

[goodNumber10]

You want to credit Burrell with the first try? Hahaha, cheers for that.

No, i'm saying it came as a result of him doing something good in attack.

If you watch the first two England backline moves, he runs an under and hits cruden and gets a decent carry. When Yarde scores he runs another under, Cruden stapes off to hit him then realises it's going to Yarde.

The point being Cruden was worried about the out to in runner, and left too much work for McCaw.

 

[exeter]

Haskell could play at 8.

 

[Big Ewis]

I'd rate this game an 8/10.

 

[Tony Manx]

Personally I think SA will steamroller you guys out of the WC if you play this style.

That would be my point!

 

[Jaguares]

England woke too late in the second half

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

I'd rate this game an 8/10.

How lovely and nice of you

 

[William18]

In the modern elite game, its a maul when the referee SAYS its a maul.

England learned one important lesson today.... Manu Tuilagi should not be wearing Jersey 14. A real winger would have scored that try. Also, if Mike Brown is the best fullback in the world, well I'll go "HE". Even an average fullback would not have run such an awful support line for Manu.

Fekitoa was let off a yellow card last week for the same instance....and correctly! You can see why Farrell thought it was a maul and regardless he had no way to roll away anyway. It was a poor call.

 

[austingtir]

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Interesting stats. NZ issues with the boot there, that's a dreadful %age.
570meters run though, and look at the Defenders Beaten stat for NZ !!!!....England have been absolutely permeable on defense.
Excellent maul stat for England. Excellent scrum stats for England. Good with discipline too, England.
Advantage to NZ at the breakdown (Rucks Won, Turnovers Conceded).

Normalish service resumed... you have to say though looking at those stats it should of been like 48-20. Seriously we NEED to make some changes HANSEN needs to wake the hell up and DO IT!!

 

[Jaguares]

Jane out.
Cruden out.
Dagg out.

Barrett in.
B. Smith Fullback forever.
Need another winger.

Burrell out.
Twelvetrees hype...
Tuilagi in position...
Eastmond starting.

Game wasn't really as close as score suggests

Eastmond :clapping:

Barrett :clapping:

 

[Aristodemus]

No, i'm saying it came as a result of him doing something good in attack.

If you watch the first two England backline moves, he runs an under and hits cruden and gets a decent carry. When Yarde scores he runs another under, Cruden stapes off to hit him then realises it's going to Yarde.

The point being Cruden was worried about the out to in runner, and left too much work for McCaw.

Just Manu being there creates that space. The try was a well timed pass from Care but mainly down to Yarde being Yarde and running straight through McCaw and finishing very well. I thought he was very good today I have to say.

 

[Big Ewis]

How lovely and nice of you

O...K. Guess that wasn't appreciated.

 

[Aristodemus]

If we win our group(and I think we can and must), we won't face SA until the final. IF they can knock out NZ, so SA steam-rollering us out of the WC is an unlikely scenario imo.

 

[exeter]

Brown was poor last week and not great this week. His support line was bizarre - and it's indicative of the real difference between New Zealand players and England players. New Zealand players do the basics and they do them week after week, season after season. They don't have weak points in their game, and even if they don't have an outstanding 10-out-of-10 quality (like Conrad Smith) they do everything at 8-9 out of 10.

In Brown's defence, he was playing in yet another new back three combination. I think Lancaster took a rather bizarre gamble with Tuilagi and it didn't pay off. The one thing Ashton does well is run support lines. A Yarde/Brown/Ashton back three and Twelvetrees/Tuilagi combination should start next week (as it should have started this week).

 

[goodNumber10]

does anyone not think Eastmond would have got opened up in this game?

I'm not sure it's fair to blame twelve trees for anything, he overcooked one kick and made one poor offload - there are others who didn't shine.


For me it's:

09: Care (Dickson on bench)
10: Farrell (Burns)
11: Foden
12: 36 (Eastmond on the Bench)
13: Tuilagi (because of last week - and because Burrell had lost form tail end of the season)
14: Foden (tough call on Ashton)
15: Brown

Just Manu being there creates that space. The try was a well timed pass from Care but mainly down to Yarde being Yarde and running straight through McCaw and finishing very well. I thought he was very good today I have to say.

so you're agreeing with me?

 

[Patchey]

does anyone not think Eastmond would have got opened up in this game?

I'm not sure it's fair to blame twelve trees for anything, he overcooked one kick and made one poor offload - there are others who didn't shine.


For me it's:

09: Care (Dickson on bench)
10: Farrell (Burns)
11: Foden
12: 36 (Eastmond on the Bench)
13: Tuilagi (because of last week - and because Burrell had lost form tail end of the season)
14: Foden
15: Brown

You've cloned Foden?!

 

[goodNumber10]

ha! 14 i meant to put Yarde

back line of:

09: foden
10: Foden
11: foden
12: Foden
13: Manu
14: Foden
15: Foden

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

does anyone not think Eastmond would have got opened up in this game?

I'm not sure it's fair to blame twelve trees for anything, he overcooked one kick and made one poor offload - there are others who didn't shine.

so you're agreeing with me?

He made 2 poor kicks (overcooked one and the grubber to nothing in the first half when we were on top) and made multiple errors in his offloading to me. He just hasn't shown in one game other than Italy, argentina and Scotland that he is an top flight international 12.

Agree Foden must be involved in the 23 next weekend.

 

[Bada-Bing!]

England the better team in the first half; the ABs up the tempo in the 2nd half and really blew England away; then last 10 minutes a combination of the ABs taking their foot off the gas, a fortunate TMO decision on the grounding of Brown's try and a good comeback by England to make the scoreboard much more flattering.

ABs still have more gears than England, but still should have put them away at the end by more than 1 point. Onto Hamilton and now England have to come away with something.

I think the Tuilagi on the wing experiment is over and has to move back to 13 after today's game. One great run, when Bin Smuth stopped him aside, he did not get enough ball to be as effective as he could be at 13. But what to do at 12? 36 was gash today and I would like to see Eastmond given another chance.

I also think England's weakness on the bench showed. Marler and Wilson were out on their feet in the 2nd half, but Lancaster was reluctant to put Mullen and Brooke's on until the last 10 minutes because of their lack of experience.

My Englamd team for next week:

1. Marler
2. Hartley
3. Wilson
4. Launchbury
5. Lawes
6. Wood
7. Robshaw
8. Billy V

9. Care
10. Farrell
11. May
12. Eastmond
13. Tuilagi
14. Yarde
15 brown

16. Webber
17. Mullen/Waller
18. Brookes/Sinckler
19. Parling/Attwood
20. Morgan/Haskell
21. Youngs
22. Burns
23. Ashton/Foden. Ashton, only because he did score a try today, but still question his overall game. Lancaster said Burns would cover full back today, so Ashton may again get on the bench or even start next week. .

 

[Tony Manx]

Brown was poor last week and not great this week. His support line was bizarre - and it's indicative of the real difference between New Zealand players and England players. New Zealand players do the basics and they do them week after week, season after season. They don't have weak points in their game, and even if they don't have an outstanding 10-out-of-10 quality (like Conrad Smith) they do everything at 8-9 out of 10.

In Brown's defence, he was playing in yet another new back three combination. I think Lancaster took a rather bizarre gamble with Tuilagi and it didn't pay off. The one thing Ashton does well is run support lines. A Yarde/Brown/Ashton back three and Twelvetrees/Tuilagi combination should start next week (as it should have started this week).

I think that Brown has been magnificent this season but these are games just too much for him after 32 (I think games) for club and Country this season!

 

[GoTheNaki]

I still don't really get what all the fuss is about Farrell? :unknw: