Boudjelal issues ultimatum to test players

[TRF_stormer2010]

http://www.sport24.co.za/Rugby/RugbyChampionship/Toulons-ultimatum-to-Bok-duo-20140917

Toulon boss Mourad Boudjellal has demanded that Springboks Bryan Habana and Bakkies Botha quit the Rugby Championship and return for club duty in France.

Boudjellal has reacted to the European and French champions’ 28-24 home defeat to Stade Francais and a club injury crisis by saying he pays the wages of Habana, Botha and Argentina's Juan Martin Fernandez Lobbe and wants them playing for Toulon.

The three Test players are currently competing in the Rugby Championship, which is sanctioned by the International Rugby Board (IRB). Clubs have to release the players who are selected by their countries during the specified Test window.

However, according to the Wales Online website, Boudjellal will challenge that policy and demand clubs only be forced to release players if the IRB or individual unions foot the bill for those away on international duty.

Boudjellal has demanded that the trio all return to France by the end of the week or face the consequence of not being paid.

The law, at least as far as the IRB is concerned, is on the side of the players, as well as the Test teams that have selected them.

Boudjellal, however, has said he is willing to take the matter to court and feels that clubs like Toulon should be compensated during an IRB-sanctioned Test window.

He feels it's unfair that the players defend the colours of their country and are then paid rather comfortably by Toulon, insisting he is not there to fund South African and Argentine rugby.

“These players will return as we need them. If they do not and we receive no fee, they will not be paid by us because they will not be present in Toulon.â€

The Springboks have two matches left in the Rugby Championship - against Australia in Cape Town (September 27) and New Zealand in Johannesburg (October 4).

I'm sorry but surely this guy knew when making an offer to those players that they would be playing test rugby so it's part of the deal and in the same breath, will Boudjelal pay the SARU and ARU for the development of the talents and investments in those players then?

 

[TRF_heineken]

Talk about throwing your toys out of a pram!

Losing one game and then demands 3 players to return. Even though their contract has a clause which allows them to be released for international duty. What a whinger!! Typical French!

 

[goodNumber10]

As i said in the transfer thread, i don't think this comes across right... there is clearly a bit of sentiment lost in translation, and i think the point he is trying to provoke is about opening dialogue with the respective unions/irb about compensation payments.

He makes some very good points, just very very clumsily.

 

[Drogers93]

I dont think clubs should get compensation. As someone said earlier when you buy in an international player you know full and well that they will be required for international duty. So you either foot the bill or buy in players that arent going to be off all that often ie samoans fijians etc.

Plus on another note, how do you think the likes of habana and lobbe will react to this? Does he not think they might be a bit annoyed that he somewhat trivialises the importance of representing their respective countries? I wouldnt be surprised if they changed clubs to one that respects their desire to wear their countries colours.

 

[Big Ewis]

well yeah, same comment. Toulon got a booboo the past two weeks and when shiit happens ppl start looking around to point fingers and start only then to raise issues, albeit that may be real. In this case, yes he's right in content, in depth. But it just comes out of nowhere and yes it's not a new thing he just learned about, that some players will return to play for country on occasion during the season.

In the bigger picture, and a far more important issue, I see Toulon are losing a lot of what made them so good the past two years. That family setting. I think Boudjellal is getting tired of being the Toulon president, is tired of Rugby, and this was just 'the drop that spilled the glass'. It's a pretext. He's extended how tired he was and how tamed his hunger for titles had become, and those recent injuries and absences have made for two pretty bad results at home in a row, and they have turned into more than just two bad results at home. They've turned into media detonation, threatening, suing in the air, and a really bad taste in many's mouths to linger for a while, not just two bad weekends.
Interesting to see how this will pan out. Maybe it'll be just two bad weekends in the end, maybe it'll be more, maybe a lot more. I'm just sorry Boudjellal had to come out like that, but I don't think he's just overreacting to all the injuries/absences, like I said, I think this is linked to everything he's said as of this year which I've stated on that other thread. Loss of hunger, hollowness, boredom...

 

[Amiga500]

I dont think clubs should get compensation. As someone said earlier when you buy in an international player you know full and well that they will be required for international duty. So you either foot the bill or buy in players that arent going to be off all that often ie samoans fijians etc.

Samoans and Fijians are frequently bullied by clubs into not playing for their country.

Its just that it isn't headline tournaments involved so remains low profile.

 

[TRF_stormer2010]

You could put together pretty handy XVs for the PI nations if all their eligable players were fit and available..





(boy, I hope I managed to turn this into a XVs thread!)

 

[TRF_heineken]

You could put together pretty handy XVs for the PI nations if all their eligable players were fit and available..





(boy, I hope I managed to turn this into a XVs thread!)

It's your own thread!! you can do what you want...

 

[gaston le gaff]

here we go again another report from outside France by experts just gone through Rugbyrama (midol) the french rugby paper and web site nothing mentioned once again the same for L'equipe???????? This once again is pure media hype by people who are second guessing, no toys, no prams, no money, some of these threads are becoming like "Womens Own" please please do not believe all you read especially sports 24 and walesonline, or have moved to Toulon as they now know everything about Boudjellal and Toulon.

 

[ruggabee]

He wouldn't have complained if Toulon didn't start losing while those players were gone. As said before, he knew Toulon were signing regular internationals so he's pretty much just throwing his toys out of the pram. If Toulon were winning he wouldn't have a problem.

 

[Big Ewis]

He wouldn't have complained if Toulon didn't start losing while those players were gone. As said before, he knew Toulon were signing regular internationals so he's pretty much just throwing his toys out of the pram. If Toulon were winning he wouldn't have a problem.

That's coright (it's a fusion between "correct" and "right" which I've just made up and already somewhat regret). For someone who has such incredible trouble spelling the word "Rugby", you have common sense. I appreciate that in a human being. Common sense, tingling. Be proud, a mighty compliment coming from me...
Yeah as I've implied before, shiit ain't goin the right way, all of a sudden we're lookin at stuff away from the field. Hey I'm paying this guy for nothin, hey this dude may've been injured all along.

As I've concludeded bebefore, bedtime will tell if this is just a 2-3 week Boudjeria (it's a fusion between "correct" and...no sorry got mixed up - a fusion between "Boudjellal" and "hysteria") or if it RUNS...DEEPAAHHH.
May just be an isolated episode with no repercussion, everybody gets back, Toulon win all 5 competitions (6N, 6N B and uhm, Wimbledon).

 

[ruggabee]

That's coright (it's a fusion between "correct" and "right" which I've just made up and already somewhat regret). For someone who has such incredible trouble spelling the word "Rugby", you have common sense. I appreciate that in a human being. Common sense, tingling. Be proud, a mighty compliment coming from me...
Yeah as I've implied before, shiit ain't goin the right way, all of a sudden we're lookin at stuff away from the field. Hey I'm paying this guy for nothin, hey this dude may've been injured all along.

As I've concludeded bebefore, bedtime will tell if this is just a 2-3 week Boudjeria (it's a fusion between "correct" and...no sorry got mixed up - a fusion between "Boudjellal" and "hysteria") or if it RUNS...DEEPAAHHH.
May just be an isolated episode with no repercussion, everybody gets back, Toulon win all 5 competitions (6N, 6N B and uhm, Wimbledon).

Uhhh helloooo?? It's a nickname.. Ah can spell it whatevaa waay i wownt it.. pfff..

Unfortunately professionalism is still pretty new to rugby and we're just beginning to see the effects it has on the sport financially. This is the beginning and it's going to become more common where coaches will only care about results and that their minions produce them. I don't think a guy like Boujelly cares about the spirit of the game. It's business. It's like he'll just go with whatever rugby is about until **** hits the fan for him and his team, then he will start to fling complaints. Even after this outburst, Toulon will probably go on to dominate Europe anyway.

I love to play and watch ruggabee.

 

[Amiga500]

Amiga500 issues ultimatum to Boudjelal

Respect the traditions of the game or fúck off

 

[Leonormous Boozer]

I really hate Bug's Life so much, I don't mind Toulon as a team but I would support anyone ahead of them so I don't see Bug's life running around and hugging his minions after the game.

 

[Jaguares]

Fkg Boudjellal! This is what happens when a millionaire interfere in sport. If there are more millionaires like Boudjellal, our sport will become like the NFL or NBA and World Cup wouldn't be viable.

:moon5zx:

 

[Draggs]

Fkg Boudjellal! This is what happens when a millionaire interfere in sport. If there are more millionaires like Boudjellal, our sport will become like the NFL or NBA and World Cup wouldn't be viable.

:moon5zx:

So who should own clubs, and don't tell me the FFR should own 14 of them.

 

[Tony Manx]

So who should own clubs, and don't tell me the FFR should own 14 of them.

Exactement.............what exactly has he done to get everyone in the world (outside France) ****** off at him.....taken a club of good repute that has seen too many bad days, invested and spent years working and financing it to bring it not only to a profitable secure future and pre-eminence that others can only dream about.

So he has a rant as a business man that his business assets are "stolen" from him from time to time without the slightest degree of compensation being proffered under an edict that is not exactly law in his own country?

So what...........wake up and smell the roses of success and stop belly aching for those rosy days of amateurism that died (were killed by the Kiwis) years ago......................

 

[Gavin]

What Boudjelal has done for rugby in Toulon is fantastic. He has created a stable business and a profitable one from nothing.

The problem this comes down to is club vs country and it can be seen through most professional sports. What part of rugby is better for developing the game, the club or the country?

Look at the English Premiership (football) vs the national side (England). I would hazard, perhaps wrongly, that the majority of football fans support their club above their country. Perhaps this is because their club plays week-in-week-out for the majority of the year, whilst the only time England play and it is interesting is during tournaments.

On the flip side in rugby union the Six Nations are not really affected too much by their players plying their trade abroad (except training camps). It doesn't affect the big 3 from the south because their players play in local competitions.

The only real nations it affects are players from countries who can't afford, or don't get a chance, in local competitions, i.e Argentina and the Pacific Islands.

 

[Jaguares]

So who should own clubs, and don't tell me the FFR should own 14 of them.

Clubs should be non-profit associations, run by their own members.

 

[Big Ewis]

Uhhh helloooo?? It's a nickname.. Ah can spell it whatevaa waay i wownt it.. pfff..

Unfortunately professionalism is still pretty new to rugby and we're just beginning to see the effects it has on the sport financially. This is the beginning and it's going to become more common where coaches will only care about results and that their minions produce them. I don't think a guy like Boujelly cares about the spirit of the game. It's business. It's like he'll just go with whatever rugby is about until **** hits the fan for him and his team, then he will start to fling complaints. Even after this outburst, Toulon will probably go on to dominate Europe anyway.

I love to play and watch ruggabee.

some more of my infamous...common sense, tingling. Good post (and btw I love your username of course I would've preferred you used a true, serious name like some ppl do, like some 15 yo gamer's, you know, Obscure Dragonfly or smt...).
I say it's a good post because it's very lucid. We are indeed, the fans and the actual contingent in the works, still at the very Genesis (the band with Peter Gabriel) and foundations level of world wide, international Rugby. We're still figuring out how to play with the rules, finding plot holes, realizing some stuff just doesn't make sense. Just like how a sport, say Rugby, evolved with its in-game rules overtime; all the rules weren't set in stone from Day 1, it took generations to slowly, gradually, progressively, bit by bit, gradually, one step at a time, progressively establish the rules of the game so everything would be as universally plausible and logical as possible..uhm...
alright that's it, who's up for a Rap battle ? Plausible and logical as possible, being gullible is horrible, yeeah, you can't touch me raht now !