A Political Thread pt. 2

[ncurd]

Sit this one out. Reform are a racist party regardless of how many decent people they hoodwink into thinking they'd change anything for the better.

Yup sorry Reform are just UKIP who were just the BNP

Anyone who votrs for them is one of three things
A Racist
Increidbly Ill Informed
Prepared to vote racist anyone so is just as bad.

In Runcorn the Labour door knockers are saying Pip and Winter fuel came up alot. Surprisingly not racism

There are non racist alternatives pick them instead.

The reform pamphlet I got had three bullet points claimed they would give everyone 100 pound back in council tax. Which would cost the county council 20million pounds. It also claimed in point three they'd put more money into front line services....

 

[ncurd]

I see harry is pontificating as if council elections mid term are anything other than protest votes against the establishment ir extreme version of local politics. Rather the electioneering genuis...

Turnout will be low.

It is rather surprising the amount of Labour voters have turned out to be racists as well.

On this one there are tons of racists voting Labour, always has been its hardly a surprise.

 

[dirty harry]

Yup sorry Reform are just UKIP who were just the BNP

Anyone who votrs for them is one of three things
A Racist
Increidbly Ill Informed
Prepared to vote racist anyone so is just as bad.


There are non racist alternatives pick them instead.

The reform pamphlet I got had three bullet points claimed they would give everyone 100 pound back in council tax. Which would cost the county council 20million pounds. It also claimed in point three they'd put more money into front line services....

You missed number 4:

People dissalusioned with the 2 parties pretending they are anything other than the same thing in another coloured tie, pandering to the extremes of each ideal, while ultimately ******* the poor, working class and vulnerable.

It's short term thinking to not welcome this kind of disruption, and if we can lean toward a more coalition model of leadership I'd think we'd all be better off.

 

[ncurd]

I'm gonna beg everyone not to reply to harry today (most have him on ignore and have hitnthat point anyway). These post election was up threads are usually a pretty interesting conversation he'll ruin it. You can tell my his now tendency to put laughs face on any opinion left of Labour.

 

[dirty harry]

I see harry is pontificating as if council elections mid term are anything other than protest votes against the establishment ir extreme version of local politics. Rather the electioneering genuis...

Turnout will be low.

On this one there are tons of racists voting Labour, always has been its hardly a surprise.

Not at all, I felt like I made that clear when I stated that Bye elections were always low turn outs, and used Runcorn as an example of a great turnout at 46%.

Farage is world class at hoovering up protest votes, let's be real, what this is however is a springboard event, one that Reform can use for 3 years to solidify and increase voting bases leading to the general.

Realistically, and historically he will become a plucky loser as he usually does, but it gives him legitimacy

 

[dirty harry]

I'm gonna beg everyone not to reply to harry today (most have him on ignore and have hitnthat point anyway). These post election was up threads are usually a pretty interesting conversation he'll ruin it. You can tell my his now tendency to put laughs face on any opinion left of Labour.

Left of labour?

You mean silly comments, calling everyone you dislike a racist isn't a left leaning opinion.

Infact calling for people to ignore posters based on their proclivity to analyse numbers is also not left leaning, is it Vladimir?

 

[Ddanno]

The Phantom Menace of posters

 

[dirty harry]

You know, I've got to give the BBC massive credit, both late last night and this morning, they're really holding every guests feet to the fire, they're not being aggressive or disingenuous...

Naga Munchetty especially, right on the button, fair play to her

 

[ncurd]

Lewis Goodall (@lewisgoodall.com)

Journalist, Reporter, Writer, Presenter @ Britain's biggest news podcast The News Agents (Mon-Fri) and Sunday with Lewis Goodall on LBC 10-12. Website: lewisgoodall.com Email: [email protected] Substack: https://goodallandgoodluck.substack.com

bsky.app

Reccomend Goodall for analysis this morning he's pretty good cutting the chaff about numbers but not hyperbolic either.

Pointing out in places like Runcorn Lab voters are abandoning to the left.

Tons of councils still report in but definitely look more like a collapse of Tory vote combined with disenchanted Labour voters not showing up or voting for other progressive parties. (Of course some voting reform as well)

 

[dirty harry]

Lewis Goodall (@lewisgoodall.com)

Journalist, Reporter, Writer, Presenter @ Britain's biggest news podcast The News Agents (Mon-Fri) and Sunday with Lewis Goodall on LBC 10-12. Website: lewisgoodall.com Email: [email protected] Substack: https://goodallandgoodluck.substack.com

bsky.app

Reccomend Goodall for analysis this morning he's pretty good cutting the chaff about numbers but not hyperbolic either.

Pointing out in places like Runcorn Lab voters are abandoning to the left.

Tons of councils still report in but definitely look more like a collapse of Tory vote combined with disenchanted Labour voters not showing up or voting for other progressive parties. (Of course some voting reform as well)

Where does it say voters were abandoning 'to the left'

Lib Dem lost half of their share, Greens gained 0.7%, Labour lost a 14k majority...

Lewis Goodall fan though! good analysis

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Prepared to vote racist anyone so is just as bad.

Think this is most of it,
Everyone knows Reform are a racist party, if you vote for them either you agree with it or you're willing to ignore the racism in favour of....privatising the NHS?

 

[Saintjay]

North Lincolnshire and Runcorn are exactly the places Labour should be winning easily. Runcorn was Labours 16th safest seat in the country.

Runcorn above average poverty, child poverty in Linconshire around 30% In some places.

The amount of Labour voters on my socials now branding people in those places racists is staggering. No self reflection, understanding of why they have switched or the root causes of the issues that matter to them. I think people in these places just want to be heard and not branded. Labour and Cons have or are letting these people down.

It's bigotry but they will tell you Labour is tolerant and welcome to all.
As it stands I think Libs and reform are a wasted vote but if they see no hope in either main party these people are screwed and nothing will change for them.

 

[ncurd]

Think this is most of it,
Everyone knows Reform are a racist party, if you vote for them either you agree with it or you're willing to ignore the racism in favour of....privatising the NHS?

It's like Trump voters your still voting for it whilst knowing what it is.

The amount of Labour voters on my socials now branding people in those places racists is staggering.

All true but also why aren't they voting Lib Dem or Green instead? People with genuine plans to solve those issues.

These is also places UKIP and Brexit Party did well in the past.

Sometime you do have to call a spade a spade

 

[Ddanno]

It's bigotry but they will tell you Labour is tolerant and welcome to all.*

*As long as you aren't poor, disabled, trans or have more than 2 kids. We'll get around to the rest of you ***** when time allows.

 

[ncurd]

I do get tired of the "stop calling them racist for voting for an alternative party"

Stop voting for the racists then, there are alternatives!

 

[Saintjay]

I do get tired of the "stop calling them racist for voting for an alternative party"

Stop voting for the racists then, there are alternatives!

How much of an impact on voting greens, lib dem, reform etc will change these people lives at a GE. If you are Trans, poor, worried about immigration etc.

How is a vote for the Greens or Reform going to lift people out of poverty, or stop your Pip getting scrapped

 

[ncurd]

How much of an impact on voting greens, lib dem, reform etc will change these people lives at a GE. If you are Trans, poor, worried about immigration etc.

How is a vote for the Greens or Reform going to lift people out of poverty, or stop your Pip getting scrapped

Oh I agree with that problem FPTP is a ******* ****.

My point is calling reform voters racist well if they wanted to vote for a non main party (althoguh I think the Tories are done for a considerable time) they could of voted for Green/Lib Dem instead of Reform.

Also Labour will see a vote for reform as a sign to ape thier policies. None of which are going to help anything you've mentioned of anything they'll make them worse.

 

[Which Tyler]

21.22 and BBC are still reporting on dogs at polling stations...

Jesus christ!!!

You do know that they're not ALLOWED to report on much else political whilst the polls are still open, yeah?

Personally I'm done with the red tories, albeit I didn't have cause to call them that at the time

Still better than the blue tories or open bigots (though those two are pretty indistinguishable at the moment, beyond the "charisma" of the leader).
Best we could have hoped for for Lib Dem & Green is enough seats to force a coalition.

 

[dirty harry]

You do know that they're not ALLOWED to report on much else political whilst the polls are still open, yeah?

You must be fun at parties hahahaha

 

[dirty harry]

Oh I agree with that problem FPTP is a ******* ****.

My point is calling reform voters racist well if they wanted to vote for a non main party (althoguh I think the Tories are done for a considerable time) they could of voted for Green/Lib Dem instead of Reform.

Also Labour will see a vote for reform as a sign to ape thier policies. None of which are going to help anything you've mentioned of anything they'll make them worse.

If only there was a way of stopping these poor uneducated non land owning people of voting against you