[2022 Six Nations] England vs Ireland (12/03/22)

[Leonormous Boozer]

Slightly surprised to see Randall get the nod again. Fair play to Jones on that.

Just all a bit underwhelming really. Yours to lose, Ire.

How many Eng players would get in a combined team?

Genge, probably George all else equal, Itoje, Curry. Lawes and Slade are playing very different roles to their opposite number. Randall and JGP much of a muchness.

Benches are stylistically very similar bar 23.

 

[Pieter Steph du Teague]

It's interesting that Ireland seem to pay so much attention to natural left and right wingers, yet England/EJ seem to not really care. Malins plays 11 whenever he plays wing for his club, and Nowell's always been a 14 and yet for England they swap sides (to both of their detriment, IMO).

 

[Don't Skip Leg Day]

Selection as expected but I really don’t see us winning with that selection. I’m sure Eddie’s terrible tactics will produce some brilliance but I think we are going to lose.

 

[munstermuffin]

Should've been Hansen in that case, really
Lowe in the 23 shirt

Don't think either can do 23 as not versatile enough

 

[Reiser99]

Based on the squad that's about expected. I'm with most, Ireland's to lose.

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

I can see that England team potentially being able to cause an upset, I just don't think it's likely. We would need everything to click whilst I feel Ireland could struggle with all sorts of problems but still come out on top. Ireland by 10+ I think.

 

[jcahill1]

English pack much bigger and heavier man for man. Very worried by how lightweight our backrow is by comparison. Think in every row of the pack we give up a size advantage. Really worried about this one now, my first England game since moving to London so we better win!

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Don't think either can do 23 as not versatile enough

Lowe covers wing and 15 doesn't he?
That's more than enough for a 23

 

[Pieter Steph du Teague]

Lowe covers wing and 15 doesn't he?
That's more than enough for a 23

Carbery’s covering 10 and 15 (and essentially wing as Keenan can shift over). So for Ireland 23 needs to be a centre.

 

[ncurd]

As expected except Randall I'm glad we appear to finally realising its time to cut him loose.

Ireland should win this, we have a home factor so don't think there will much more than a score in it if we were playing in Dublin I'd be worried how much we'd lose by. One eye on the France game that feels like in Paris will be a humiliating loss.

 

[munstermuffin]

Lowe covers wing and 15 doesn't he?
That's more than enough for a 23

I'd say Henshaw more 15 than Lowe. Joey and Conway will be backup 15s I'd say

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

English pack much bigger and heavier man for man. Very worried by how lightweight our backrow is by comparison. Think in every row of the pack we give up a size advantage. Really worried about this one now, my first England game since moving to London so we better win!

Wouldn't worry about it, most of the heavier English players are really bad at making it count for anything.

 

[Groundhog]

“What I do know is they’re red-hot favourites,” said Jones this afternoon when asked about Andy Farrell’s team.

“I went to the coffee shop yesterday and the girl says, ‘That Irish team must be good, all their ex-players think they’re going to win the game and all the ex-England players think they’re going to win the game. They must be a pretty good team. How are you feeling?’

“I said, ‘Just give me the coffee please.’”

Eddie reaching in to the land of make believe for his mind games this year I see! And people say he's an uncreative coach. I've come full circle to finding this stuff really endearing now for some reason. It's all part of the fixture.

 

[Pieter Steph du Teague]

Wouldn't worry about it, most of the heavier English players are really bad at making it count for anything.

It’s also just… not true, I think? If club stats are to be believed then Healy > Genge, Sheehan > George, Furlong > Sinckler, Ryan > Ewels and Doris > Simmonds. Only 1v1s where England are heavier are at 4, 6 and 7.

 

[Leonormous Boozer]

It’s also just… not true, I think? If club stats are to be believed then Healy > Genge, Sheehan > George, Furlong > Sinckler, Ryan > Ewels and Doris > Simmonds. Only 1v1s where England are heavier are at 4, 6 and 7.

Yeah, I don't think we're especially smaller at all. Skeptical Ryan is actually heavier than Ewels but definitely better at that heavy lock role.

And we're probably a decent bit bigger in the backs.

 

[Groundhog]

It’s also just… not true, I think? If club stats are to be believed then Healy > Genge, Sheehan > George, Furlong > Sinckler, Ryan > Ewels and Doris > Simmonds. Only 1v1s where England are heavier are at 4, 6 and 7.

Those weights are a crapshoot to be honest. I wouldn't say there's a huge amount in it, but I would be surprised if George, Sinckler and Genge weren't heavier than their counterparts.

 

[Leonormous Boozer]

Those weights are a crapshoot to be honest. I wouldn't say there's a huge amount in it, but I would be surprised if George, Sinckler and Genge weren't heavier than their counterparts.

No way George or Stinkler are heavier. They're ~13cm and 9cm shorter.

 

[Duck a l'Orange]

No way George or Stinkler are heavier. They're ~13cm and 9cm shorter.

Yes but they have much bigger hearts.

 

[Groundhog]

No way George or Stinkler are heavier. They're ~13cm and 9cm shorter.

Girth of them though

 

[big ginger 8]

Yeah Sheehan is definitely heavier than George given he's 6'3".

Healy's listed weight is definitely wrong though. He's spoken about how he's slimmed down to ~110kg in the last few years.