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which team will win super14 in 2008?

Huh? Hurricanes have only been in one final in Super 12/14, and that was in the fog of Jade.

The Wellington Lions however are the team that chokes when it comes to finals in NPC/ANZC rugby
 
SA teams had a great season... but i think they will struggle a bit this season... I think the Stormers are my dark horses for this year.
 
Hate to say it, but I think the Crusaders will win it. They have lost Mauger, which could prove a problem as Carter seems to play better with Mauger helping out at 2nd receiver. I think they'll make a slow start to the season, but I think they've got some very good young players coming through to help their depth like Hamish Gard and Nasi Manu.
 
hey all...

I REALLY like the TAHS this year...the new ELVs will help alot and also they dont have to many injuries, unlike last year....

Dark horse are the REDS!

No saffa teams to make the 4...

TOP 4..

CRUSADERS
CHIEFS
TAHS
REDS...

The odds have come out too...

CRUSADERS 3.25
BLUES 4.50
WARATAHS 6.00
BULLS 8.00
CHIEFS 8.00
SHARKS 11.00
HURRICANES 13.00
BRUMBIES 23.00
WESTERN FORCE 34.00
REDS 41.00
STORMERS 41.00
CHEETAHS 67.00
HIGHLANDERS 151.00
LIONS 151.00
 
hey all...

I REALLY like the TAHS this year...the new ELVs will help alot and also they dont have to many injuries, unlike last year....

Dark horse are the REDS!

No saffa teams to make the 4...

TOP 4..

CRUSADERS
CHIEFS
TAHS
REDS...

The odds have come out too...

CRUSADERS 3.25
BLUES 4.50
WARATAHS 6.00
BULLS 8.00
CHIEFS 8.00
SHARKS 11.00
HURRICANES 13.00
BRUMBIES 23.00
WESTERN FORCE 34.00
REDS 41.00
STORMERS 41.00
CHEETAHS 67.00
HIGHLANDERS 151.00
LIONS 151.00
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The Waratahs are third favourites?! HA!!!

Their forward pack is too slow, and they've got no real talent in the backs (especially the inside backs) aside from Lachlan Turner.

Any team with both Dunning and Baxter can't be any good.

Here's hoping they don't even crack the top ten.
 
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hey all...

I REALLY like the TAHS this year...the new ELVs will help alot and also they dont have to many injuries, unlike last year....

Dark horse are the REDS!

No saffa teams to make the 4...

TOP 4..

CRUSADERS
CHIEFS
TAHS
REDS...

The odds have come out too...

CRUSADERS 3.25
BLUES 4.50
WARATAHS 6.00
BULLS 8.00
CHIEFS 8.00
SHARKS 11.00
HURRICANES 13.00
BRUMBIES 23.00
WESTERN FORCE 34.00
REDS 41.00
STORMERS 41.00
CHEETAHS 67.00
HIGHLANDERS 151.00
LIONS 151.00
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The Waratahs are third favourites?! HA!!!

Their forward pack is too slow, and they've got no real talent in the backs (especially the inside backs) aside from Lachlan Turner.

Any team with both Dunning and Baxter can't be any good.

Here's hoping they don't even crack the top ten.
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HA i know mate!! i like them but $6 is WAAAY to short!!!
anything else stand out there?
 
Where are these odds from anyway, there is no way that Reds have more of a chance then the Highlanders, even more 3 times more of a chance....I think that alone voids the odds....
 
Where are these odds from anyway, there is no way that Reds have more of a chance then the Highlanders, even more 3 times more of a chance....I think that alone voids the odds....
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www.centrebet.com got them form...but there are other markets out too

Where are these odds from anyway, there is no way that Reds have more of a chance then the Highlanders, even more 3 times more of a chance....I think that alone voids the odds....
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HIGHLANDERS....WILL, run last!...worst team in comp...will only win 2 games...
 
I wouldn't be surprised if the Highlanders ran last.

They've lost a LOT of players, and they've probably got less talent than the Reds now.
 
Yeah...add the loss of their coach and also evans, who was by FAR the best player there...No one turns up to games any more, except ****** uni students! haa
 
I'd put a sly ten on the Canes at $13

Highlanders will actually surprise a few I reckon. They have a young team and competition for places. They lost some AB's but that will be somewhat negated by the fact that they were front rowers, which will be less vital under the new rules. I wouldn't back them to win it, but I'd be interested to see what they're paying for a semi spot.
 
Top 4:

Crusaders
Blues
Hurricanes
Sharks

In the mix:

Highlanders
Chiefs
Brumbies
Force
Stormers
Bulls

Dead beats:

Waratahs
Reds
Lions
Cheetahs
 
Top 4:

Crusaders
Blues
Hurricanes
Sharks

In the mix:

Highlanders
Chiefs
Brumbies
Force
Stormers
Bulls

Dead beats:

Waratahs
Reds
Lions
Cheetahs
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I dont see how you can have the Tahs as dead beats?...they got STUFFED by injuries last year, and yea i know they played ****...but....with these new rules and with the youngsters with one more year under their belts i think they could be a real force this year...look maybe i will be proven wrong, but you cant call them dead bets...
 
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Top 4:

Crusaders
Blues
Hurricanes
Sharks

In the mix:

Highlanders
Chiefs
Brumbies
Force
Stormers
Bulls

Dead beats:

Waratahs
Reds
Lions
Cheetahs
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I dont see how you can have the Tahs as dead beats?...they got STUFFED by injuries last year, and yea i know they played ****...but....with these new rules and with the youngsters with one more year under their belts i think they could be a real force this year...look maybe i will be proven wrong, but you cant call them dead bets...
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Even with the new rules I don't see any real talent (in the midfield) that could use this as an advantage. They are all slow and hardly line breakers. Sorry, but I really think it will be much of the same rubbish 'Tahs rugby as last season.

Same front row will mean more embarrassment in the scrums and will only put more pressure on an average back line, which will again cancel out these new rules (5m rule especially).

The Force will be the shining light for the Aussies, and could easily make the top 4. Brumbies might struggle without Mortlock, Larkham, Gregan... so another potential cellar dweller.
 
The Blues best hope is that Nucifora has learnt his lesson, and will rest players when required. Troy Flavell was on a similar sort of tear that Toeava was, but he eventually ran out of gas.

I don't think losing McAlister will be as big a blow as first thought, since we signed Evans who can do the goal kicking, it means we can have a midfield of Toeava/Tuitavakie... which means we once again have the most devastating with the ball in hand midfield combo in the comp again. Also means we don't have to put that moron Pisi at Fullback again.

The biggest problem will be overcoming the loss of Ali Williams and Greg Rawlinson - while I don't hate on Boric as much as others do, a locking combo of Boric/Flavell doesn't really fill me with excitement... hopefully that Bryn Evans from the Hawkes Bay can step up, he can provide the tallness.

David Smith will make everyone forget that Doug Howlett ever existed.

Now we just need Nucifora to not f*** it up, and while I don't think we are as good as last year, we can still mount a serious bid.
 
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Top 4:

Crusaders
Blues
Hurricanes
Sharks

In the mix:

Highlanders
Chiefs
Brumbies
Force
Stormers
Bulls

Dead beats:

Waratahs
Reds
Lions
Cheetahs
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I dont see how you can have the Tahs as dead beats?...they got STUFFED by injuries last year, and yea i know they played ****...but....with these new rules and with the youngsters with one more year under their belts i think they could be a real force this year...look maybe i will be proven wrong, but you cant call them dead bets...
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Even with the new rules I don't see any real talent (in the midfield) that could use this as an advantage. They are all slow and hardly line breakers. Sorry, but I really think it will be much of the same rubbish 'Tahs rugby as last season.

Same front row will mean more embarrassment in the scrums and will only put more pressure on an average back line, which will again cancel out these new rules (5m rule especially).

The Force will be the shining light for the Aussies, and could easily make the top 4. Brumbies might struggle without Mortlock, Larkham, Gregan... so another potential cellar dweller.
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The Brumbies may have lost a few experienced players but I wouldn't write them off just yet.

They still retain one of the best, and mobile packs in Australia (and maybe even the entire comp) - George Smith, Stephen Hoiles, Jone Tawake, Mitchell Chapman, Mark Chisholm, Adam Wallace-Harrison, Al Campbell, Guy Shepherdson, Saiaa Faingaa, Nic Henderson, Salesi Maafu. And hopefully these new rules should only help expose their strengths.

In the backline they've still got a LOT of talent - Josh Holmes, Adam Ashley-Cooper, Mark Gerrard, Clyde Rathbone, Julian Huxley and two of the best wings from the ARC - Fainifo and Playford. Plus Mortlock will be back halfway through the season. I'm not sure how they'll go but I'm confident that they'll at the least be somewhere in the top 7.

My only concern is who Laurie Fisher will put into the flyhalf and inside centre positions. Huxley is ok at flyhalf, but I think Lealifaano can do a lot more for them after he gets a few games under his belt. Also, Gene Fairbanks is so hot and cold and was probably the weakest member of the team last year. I'd like to see Anthony Faingaa eventually get a go, or maybe even a centre pairing of Mortlock/Rathbone, Mortlock/Ashley-Cooper, Ashley-Cooper/Rathbone.

The Waratahs on the other hand - they've got a big, slow forward pack that was hopeless last year without Waugh and Vickerman. I'm not sure if there'll be much improvement? And their backline is void of any real talent aside from Lachlan Turner. Tuqiri will continue to get no ball, Tahu will probably run sideways, and they'll put a lot of pressure on Beale to try and steer them through.
 
Its the Chiefs year in 2008! Big and mobile pack but major difference, they've got SERIOUS gas in their side with Sivi, Anesi, Masaga and Vili (Waqaseduadua). Leonard and Donald fit together in 9 & 10 combination well, the only place they might be troubled is at centre but with Mils, Kahui back from injury and Sweeney in the mix they look strong throughout.
 

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