What changes with Eddie Jones

[Raggs]

Having Manu and JJ as our 13 options is daft in my mind. They are two very different players, and so you'd need to build two gameplans around who happened to be playing at the time.

JJ, Daly, Slade (unless he goes to 10) at 13, with other fast/agile options at 13.

Then at 12 either go down the playmaker route of the Slade/Devoto/36 style player, or more of a bosh option with the Hill/Manu type.

Perfectly, Mauger will work more with Manu and improve his distrubition in a similar manner to Nonu, and he can take the 12 shirt then.

 

[Don't Skip Leg Day]

Having Manu and JJ as our 13 options is daft in my mind. They are two very different players, and so you'd need to build two gameplans around who happened to be playing at the time.

JJ, Daly, Slade (unless he goes to 10) at 13, with other fast/agile options at 13.

Then at 12 either go down the playmaker route of the Slade/Devoto/36 style player, or more of a bosh option with the Hill/Manu type.

Perfectly, Mauger will work more with Manu and improve his distrubition in a similar manner to Nonu, and he can take the 12 shirt then.

So we are saying one of our best 13s should play 12 and one of our best 10s should play 13.

Have you been speaking to Lancaster about selection?

The above is meant as a joke by the way. It's more a statement of the quality of English centres. We don't have 1 complete player at 12 and 13 let alone aload of them lining up as per other counties.

 

[Raggs]

So we are saying one of our best 13s should play 12 and one of our best 10s should play 13.

Have you been speaking to Lancaster about selection?

The above is meant as a joke by the way. It's more a statement of the quality of English centres. We don't have 1 complete player at 12 and 13 let alone aload of them lining up as per other counties.

I get the joke

One of our best 10s has been playing 13 for over a season now. I really hope he successfully transitions back to 10, but right now he's a 13 for me.

Manu is such a weapon I struggle to leave him out, but I think you need to have consistency in a team, even with injuries, and Manu is a tough act to replicate. Burrell and Hill to a lesser degree, can emulate it, none of our 13s can.

 

[j'nuh]

No point in talking about tuilagi as a 12 as he wont play there for Leicester.

If Jones tells Leicester that Tuilagi is being seen as a 12 for England, and if he doesn't get game time there, then he won't be considered for England, then Leicester will either have to make some changes, or Tuilagi might go looking for someone happy to play him at 12.

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

If Jones tells Leicester that Tuilagi is being seen as a 12 for England, and if he doesn't get game time there, then he won't be considered for England, then Leicester will either have to make some changes, or Tuilagi might go looking for someone happy to play him at 12.

That's if Which TBH I doubt ATM)

Daly apparently wanting to play 12 so wasps are looking for 13's hence Manu being a name.

 

[McTallshort]

If Jones tells Leicester that Tuilagi is being seen as a 12 for England, and if he doesn't get game time there, then he won't be considered for England, then Leicester will either have to make some changes, or Tuilagi might go looking for someone happy to play him at 12.

Needs to get fit first before we start putting him into position.

 

[j'nuh]

That's if Which TBH I doubt ATM)

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[Raggs]

That's if Which TBH I doubt ATM)

Daly apparently wanting to play 12 so wasps are looking for 13's hence Manu being a name.

Really??? Where's the Daly thing from? Your sources or written elsewhere? Just don't see him as a 12.

 

[ratsapprentice]

I think Hill is a much better option than Burrell if you are looking for a hard carrying 12.

Hill is still trying to find his consistency (being a young player with inevitable fluctuations in form) - but he's definitely a more physical presence with the ball, and while he's not exactly Eastmond, his passing skills aren't as frightfully hot/cold as Luther's. I think Sam is the only centre we have that is physical enough to broadly replicate what Manu does to any extent.

Having Burrell and Farrell at 10/12 means you are only ever going to attack from right to left with any degree of consistency or threat.

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

Really??? Where's the Daly thing from? Your sources or written elsewhere? Just don't see him as a 12.

In TRP so iffy.

Daly sees it as his best chance of getting into England setup. Apparently.

 

[Raggs]

In TRP so iffy.

Daly sees it as his best chance of getting into England setup. Apparently.

Hmm, guessing it's a rumour rather than Daly saying it. Guess we'll know if we see Daly running out at 12 at some point. I don't think his passing game is strong enough at the moment, and I think it would be a waste of his pace.

 

[j'nuh]

Launchbury for captain:

Hmm, guessing it's a rumour rather than Daly saying it. Guess we'll know if we see Daly running out at 12 at some point. I don't think his passing game is strong enough at the moment, and I think it would be a waste of his pace.

Eh, pace is an asset in any position to be honest.

 

[Raggs]

Of course it's better to have someone faster than slower, but he'll be able to use his pace more often at 13. He's got an international wingers pace, would just seem a shame to have it generally tied up in the middle of defences.

 

[MrTea_32]

Don't really see daly as a 12 and I think he has a good chance getting in at 13 on form atm.
Like others have said would love manu to be worked with and be our answer at 12 I think that's our best option. This season if mauger and jdv worked with him it could be promising

 

[Raggs]

Fairly sure that Wasps would have been looking at Manu as a 12, and if so, don't see Daly wanting to move to 12. Suspect Manu will want to stay at 13, so really wouldn't be surprised to see him stay at tigers.

 

[Don't Skip Leg Day]

Don't really see daly as a 12 and I think he has a good chance getting in at 13 on form atm.
Like others have said would love manu to be worked with and be our answer at 12 I think that's our best option. This season if mauger and jdv worked with him it could be promising

Players like Sam Hill are light years ahead of Manu as a 12 already.

Manu is good at 13, why are people obsessed with moving him?

We should look at the best 12 for the 12 shirt.

Manu has not shown he has the skills to play 12, in fact he relies on strength alone at 13 which would be even more shown up at 12.

 

[Maverick1987]

Players like Sam Hill are light years ahead of Manu as a 12 already.

Manu is good at 13, why are people obsessed with moving him?

We should look at the best 12 for the 12 shirt.

Manu has not shown he has the skills to play 12, in fact he relies on strength alone at 13 which would be even more shown up at 12.

Manu doesn't rely on strength alone he's deceptively fast and also Manu passes for Leicester . Just because Lancaster tried to coach that out of him and played him in a backline with Ashton, Barritt and Goode that's not his fault . At 12 with Ford and JJ with him and Watson/Nowell/May on the wings and Manu would tear up trees imo

 

[Peat]

Players like Sam Hill are light years ahead of Manu as a 12 already.

Manu is good at 13, why are people obsessed with moving him?

We should look at the best 12 for the 12 shirt.

Manu has not shown he has the skills to play 12, in fact he relies on strength alone at 13 which would be even more shown up at 12.

Tuilagi has played at 12 and looked very good there and it allows us to get our best centres of the past x onto the pitch together in a partnership that broadly shores up each other's strengths?

Even if you think Hill should be ahead of him... who would you pick next to replicate his style should he get injured?

 

[MrTea_32]

Players like Sam Hill are light years ahead of Manu as a 12 already.

Manu is good at 13, why are people obsessed with moving him?

We should look at the best 12 for the 12 shirt.

Manu has not shown he has the skills to play 12, in fact he relies on strength alone at 13 which would be even more shown up at 12.

Manu has the skills to be a 12 he just needs some coaching there and he could turn into a Nonu type.
Why are you so against it, if he played there and looked OK I'd much rather have a Manu in the England team than a sam hill at 12. Manu is a proven international and Sam hill probably is way down the pecking order at the moment

Why not try it, if it works then great if it doesn't leave him at 13.

 

[Don't Skip Leg Day]

Manu has the skills to be a 12 he just needs some coaching there and he could turn into a Nonu type.
Why are you so against it, if he played there and looked OK I'd much rather have a Manu in the England team than a sam hill at 12. Manu is a proven international and Sam hill probably is way down the pecking order at the moment
People want him to move because we

I'm against Manu at 12 because he is a 13. He is good, so why not play him at 13? Just because we have JJ doesn't mean we should move Manu to 12.

Btw if Manu started playing for Leicester at 12 I wouldn't be against him playing there internationally.

I get the idea but why move players around? But if that's our best option at 12, a guy who had one good game in a lions teams brimming with talent, a couple of poor to average caps there for England in South Africa and 1 club game.

Not the best track record to justify a move.