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Wallabies chances in the World Cup if they don't start winning

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I cant see them winning or making the final.

The pressure is back on them now. All vision of Deans post Saturday reveals worry and concern. I honestly think he had higher hopes at this stage.

A win in the final two tests is a must but failing that it will be a hard road.

Interestingly on Foxsports show - The Back Page with Greg Martin on the panel, it was revealed Captain Elsom is unwanted by all Oz Super 15 franchises and remains unsigned next year. Staggering.
 
They beat the Springboks the other week *insert blah blah B-Team blah blah here*
Not as if they're coming off of a massive losing streak
 
Losing to the All Blacks is hardly a disaster. They'd have liked to be a tad more competitive true, but I wouldn't be writing them off just yet. Remember that France stunned the All Blacks in 1999 having finished bottom of the Five Nations (as it then was) only a few months before hand.
 
I don't think that they're tracking too badly... but you're right, if the lose to the Boks and then to the All Blacks their confidence will be pretty low. Personally i hope that Deans gave Cooper a right dressing down after the Test match at Eden Park! Me night some very poor decisions and looked like he wanted to throw in the towel at times, he's a very exiting player but his defense is poor and he's so inconsistent, not a good combination to have at Test level...

EDIT: What am i saying?!? I hope that they get pantsed by the Boks and then get beaten by Ireland in their pool match :p Haha
 
I'm quietly hoping that the Wallabies have been playing at 80% for the last 2 years and Deans knows exaclty how to pull out a trump card against mccaw and carter if required. :)

i have a feeling that Elsom may end up at the rebels if no one else wants him. they signed johansson the other week and have claimed that "2 victorians will be playing for the rebels next year". elsom was born in melbourne i believe.
 
Errr didn't we beat South Africa? or was that not a test :S
 
Can only beat what's in front of you

It's a tick in the "Win" column, is it not?
 
Errr didn't we beat South Africa? or was that not a test :S

If it makes you feel better lol.

Deans future also apparently hangs in the balance with John O'Neill keen to extend his contract a further two years now whilst other board memebers want to wait till after WC. Interesting times.

I would like to see Horwill at captain although at this stage of the game may be too drastic.
 
I'm quietly hoping that the Wallabies have been playing at 80% for the last 2 years and Deans knows exaclty how to pull out a trump card against mccaw and carter if required. :)

i have a feeling that Elsom may end up at the rebels if no one else wants him. they signed johansson the other week and have claimed that "2 victorians will be playing for the rebels next year". elsom was born in melbourne i believe.

Johansson hey? Where's he been the last 4 or so seasons?
 
i'm wondering if deans is out of contract after the world cup, and there's an opening as the all blacks coach, will he jump ship?

i'm predicting henry to retire as a hero or be sacked as a scapegoat after the world cup depending on what happens, opening up a position for deans to go back to his home country.

ARU should lock deans in now for another 2 years, isn't ewen mckenzie's contract with the reds up in 2 years?
 
Henry will most certainly go, regardless of if the All Blacks win the RWC or not ... Steve Hansen is being groomed as the replacement coach, but Deans would certainly be a contender IMO, but there's a lot of Robbie Deans haters out there.

... I'm sure that the remaining two Wallabies will be close matches, and I don't see that if they lose them, that it will make that much difference to how they play the game, or their WC chances
 
I don't think that they're tracking too badly... but you're right, if the lose to the Boks and then to the All Blacks their confidence will be pretty low. Personally i hope that Deans gave Cooper a right dressing down after the Test match at Eden Park! Me night some very poor decisions and looked like he wanted to throw in the towel at times, he's a very exiting player but his defense is poor and he's so inconsistent, not a good combination to have at Test level...

EDIT: What am i saying?!? I hope that they get pantsed by the Boks and then get beaten by Ireland in their pool match :p Haha


Those are not his only problems:

1. He is great when he has plenty of time to work his tricks, but cut his time and space down (the way the AB's did on Saturday) and the magic disappears. The AB's just ran straight at him, in twos sometimes, and effectively shut him down.

2. When he's under pressure, rather than take the tackle and give his team the chance to regroup, he has a tendency to have a brain explosion, like the intercept pass to Conrad Smith, the midfield inside (forward) pass that was knocked on and the back of the hand flip on his own goal-line that came within a ace of being the AB's 4th try.

Under the kind of defence the All Black put on him on Saturday, the answer is to give himself more room by standing deeper, but of course, all the tricky stuff then takes place too far behind the gain line to be useful.

This is the fundamental difference between Cooper and players line Dan Carter or Jonny Wilkinson, or even Toby Flood. Cooper is every bit the equal of other great fly-halves...when he has room to move and execute. The difference comes when there is less time and space. That's where the great fly-halves shine, and Cooper becomes an also ran.


EDIT: On topic, I don't think Australia would be overly worried if they didn't win again in the Tri-Nations. They will have lost to New Zealand and South Africa, neither of whom they are likely to meet unless they reach the final. Their quarterfinal opponent will probably be Wales, and the semi would likely be France (assuming NZ win their pool) or England.
 
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If the Wallabies dont win a test before the world cup, they can still win the world cup.
 
France lost to New Zealand 61-10 in 2007. A few months on they bet them in the WC.
 
If they lose those games it may affect the make up of the squad according to Deans, in this Greg Growden Sydney Morning Herald Article

Deans issues Wallabies with RWC ultimatum GREG GROWDEN IN DURBAN

Last updated 19:08 09/08/2011

Wallabies coach Robbie Deans has warned his players their World Cup squad hopes will hinge on whether they pick up their act against the Springboks this weekend after the All Blacks exposed the team's tactical shortcomings.
The Wallabies contingent arrived bleary-eyed in Durban late on Sunday following a marathon 26-hour trip from Auckland, which included the added pain of players and team management losing luggage.
Deans knows that over the next week he will have no respite, because apart from having to revive his troops after the despair of losing the Bledisloe Cup to the All Blacks and preparing the team to play the Springboks at Kings Park on Saturday night, he also has to finalise a 30-man World Cup squad.
The squad will be announced in Sydney on Thursday week, less than 24 hours after the team returns from South Africa. Arriving in Durban, Deans said how numerous players fared against the Springboks would be critical in determining the make-up of the World Cup squad.
Asked if players could force their way in or fall out of the squad this weekend, Deans said: ''Without a doubt. We know them all pretty well by now. But when it comes down to the last couple of spots, the last impression is quite crucial.''
What is making the selection difficult is that several key players are overcoming injuries, and Deans will probably not know who will be available until just before selecting the squad.
This group includes Wallabies props Benn Robinson and James Slipper, hooker Tatafu Polota-Nau, No.8 Wycliff Palu, centre Rob Horne and winger Drew Mitchell. Midfielder Berrick Barnes is also in contention, having recently returned to the club ranks with Sydney University.
Some, such as Polota-Nau, Robinson and Slipper, are certain to make the squad if they prove their fitness, while Deans also appears interested in revitalising his attacking contingent, which failed to make an impact against the All Blacks - their major rivals for the World Cup.
''We had a conference call on the way through Sydney, and talked to half a dozen blokes who are rehabbing. We're maintaining contact with them,'' Deans said.
''The players are using their BlackBerry PlayBooks to record everything they do, and they are sending clips of that across to us. They are no doubt sending the best clips.''
The squad won't be finalised until just before the announcement on August 18. ''We land in Sydney at 2pm on Wednesday week, and will then catch up with everyone at 4pm at our team hotel in Coogee. We'll see them physically and give them a final assessment. We will have known what they have been doing, but there's nothing quite like seeing it for yourself,'' he said.Deans has not decided on the final backs-forwards split - although it is expected to be either 17 forwards and 13 backs or a 16-14 mix. ''We've been working on this for a long time,'' he said. ''And it's fair to say that the template has moved over time. It hasn't been resolved, and there are still a lot of conversations going on, because some of the permutations around the final make-up are critical. And you have to draw the line somewhere about your ability to cover specialist positions, for example. Halfback is one, and there are others.
''We also have to see how we get through the Springbok Test, because that could impact on it as well.''
The Wallabies selectors are considering taking just two halfbacks to New Zealand, which would mean Nick Phipps misses out, while deliberating on how many hookers, props and second-rowers are required.
Good players are bound to miss out, especially up front.

- Sydney Morning Herald
 
Maybe I was a tad hasty and a few good performances will renew confidence.
 
Smartcooky is right, the difference between cooper and carter/wilkinson etc. is that cooper hasn't acquired the excellent decision making ability that carter/wilkinson types have. cooper wants to go flat out all the time when he really needs to play the percentages and then switch into supercooper mode when the time is right... he should keep the opposition guessing and right now he's become predictable to the opposition.
 

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