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2024 Guinness Six Nations
Wales vs England - 16/03/2013
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<blockquote data-quote="psychic duck" data-source="post: 560173" data-attributes="member: 48703"><p>To be honest. England ought to be quiet. You can't blame the referee for the loss when the margin of defeat was 27 points. The coaching staff need to just admit their players were outplayed on this occasion.</p><p></p><p>I don't think that there is any pulling arms down or collapsing on purpose as said in the post above, Wales have already said that gamesmanship isn't true. It's just that a lot of scrums collapse in all matches. When a scrum just collapses and neither side is going forward, then very often the next penalty is just a guess really and Wales got the luck in this match. It was the opposite in the France match for Wales, where nearly all scrums just flopped.</p><p></p><p>This is what needs to be eradicated from rugby. Penalties for the scrum just flopping. When one team is very good at scrummaging and can push the other side back, then fair enough they benefit. But it's not right that you earn the same amount of points for just a guess by the referee after the scrum collapses as you putting the opposition under big pressure after some good attacks and them conceding a penalty after sustained pressure.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="psychic duck, post: 560173, member: 48703"] To be honest. England ought to be quiet. You can't blame the referee for the loss when the margin of defeat was 27 points. The coaching staff need to just admit their players were outplayed on this occasion. I don't think that there is any pulling arms down or collapsing on purpose as said in the post above, Wales have already said that gamesmanship isn't true. It's just that a lot of scrums collapse in all matches. When a scrum just collapses and neither side is going forward, then very often the next penalty is just a guess really and Wales got the luck in this match. It was the opposite in the France match for Wales, where nearly all scrums just flopped. This is what needs to be eradicated from rugby. Penalties for the scrum just flopping. When one team is very good at scrummaging and can push the other side back, then fair enough they benefit. But it's not right that you earn the same amount of points for just a guess by the referee after the scrum collapses as you putting the opposition under big pressure after some good attacks and them conceding a penalty after sustained pressure. [/QUOTE]
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