Wales vs Argentina - 10/07/21

[TRF_Olyy]

Match thread

 

[Reiser99]

High quality stuff here from both sides.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Really harsh on the Argentinian loosehead - has had the Welsh #3 on toast all day, and just got yellow carded because the Welsh #3 keeps collapsing

Carley having a poor game with the whistle

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Am I watching the same tackle?

No drop from Welsh 9?
No bend at the waist from the Argentinian player?

Both of those things happened

A red card when it should be play on for a "rugby incident"

 

[Welsh Exile]

Am I watching the same tackle?

No drop from Welsh 9?
No bend at the waist from the Argentinian player?

A red card when it should be play on for a "rugby incident"

Is this a joke?

 

[TRF_Olyy]

The whole sport is a joke, these days

 

[Welsh Exile]

Ohhh, you're one of those "rugby has gone soft" guys.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Penalty only for getting tipped onto your head hahahaha

Ohhh, you're one of those "rugby has gone soft" guys.

Not at all, he just went through the framework and answered all the questions wrong - i genuinely question whether he had the replay up or was just going from memory, because he was watching him bend to make the tackle and saying "No bend at the waist"

It should've been a yellow card, tops - there was clear mitigation, it's not like they were both upright as he went in to make the tackle

 

[Welsh Exile]

Penalty only for getting tipped onto your head hahahaha


Not at all, he just went through the framework and answered all the questions wrong - i genuinely question whether he had the replay up or was just going from memory, because he was watching him bend to make the tackle and saying "No bend at the waist"

Mate, it was head on head so he clearly wasn't bending very much. He came sprinting at him, there was minimal dip from either players and smashed into his face.

Funny how we all see things differently though.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Mate, it was head on head so he clearly wasn't bending very much.

Because the Welsh 9 dropped as well - 2 x mitigation,
It was a yellow, tops, under the current framework

 

[Welsh Exile]

Because the Welsh 9 dropped as well - 2 x mitigation,
It was a yellow, tops, under the current framework

Nah. Not for me (or anyone with eyes) nowhere near enough dip from either player especially when you consider how much line of sight he had to control the hit. At the end of the day you've got to go much much lower than that. End of.

 

[Welsh Exile]

Argentina deserve the lead. We've been pretty shocking tbh.

 

[Cruz_del_Sur]

Does anyone know where in the rules or ref guidance, exactly, is there mitigation for "being close to the ground"?
Matera was lifted, legs went above horizontal and he landed on his head. How is that not a card?

 

[Dean Cooperfield-West]

You can see why Jonathan Davies isn't with the Lions. You lot would be better off dragging Henson out of retirement

Isn't there a Tom Thomas in the pub who can put on boots and join them??

 

[Welsh Exile]

Does anyone know where in the rules or ref guidance, exactly, is there mitigation for "being close to the ground"?
Matera was lifted, legs went above horizontal and he landed on his head. How is that not a card?

I don't think we could've had too many complaints with a yellow but the last angle showed initial impact on the ground was shoulder first then head. As I say, though, got away with one a bit perhaps.

 

[Reiser99]

Does anyone know where in the rules or ref guidance, exactly, is there mitigation for "being close to the ground"?
Matera was lifted, legs went above horizontal and he landed on his head. How is that not a card?

Tip tackles need a clear framework like high tackles and where the player lands should be taken out of it. Intention should be the only thing that matters as you can have identical tip tackles, one player puts his hands down to protect himself and the guy gets a penalty or yellow, one player doesn't, lands on his head and it's a red. Yet both tackles were the same.

Unfortunately Carley is not one of the better refs in England and often seems to make it up as he goes.

 

[Dean Cooperfield-West]

Mate, it was head on head so he clearly wasn't bending very much. He came sprinting at him, there was minimal dip from either players and smashed into his face.

Funny how we all see things differently though.

How can you say minimal dip? He's effectively sitting down. If if stood up it would be a great tackle

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Yeah, tip tackles could do with a framework
According to the laws landing on your head or upper body is an illegal tip tackle and is a ban, so landing on the top of your shoulder/neck definitely should be a card (if it's worth a ban)

How can you say minimal dip? He's effectively sitting down. If if stood up it would be a great tackle

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Nah, they're both stood straight up right - anyone with eyes could see that (apparently)!

Unfortunately Carley is not one of the better refs in England and often seems to make it up as he goes.

Double yellow showed that - lost control of the packs so binned them rather than try and referee it properly

 

[Welsh Exile]

How can you say minimal dip? He's effectively sitting down. If if stood up it would be a great tackle

Effectively sitting down? Ok then.

He had a clear line of sight of another 50m running at him full tilt.

 

[Welsh Exile]

Yeah, tip tackles could do with a framework
According to the laws landing on your head or upper body is an illegal tip tackle and is a ban, so landing on the top of your shoulder/neck definitely should be a card (if it's worth a ban)



Nah, they're both stood straight up right - anyone with eyes could see that (apparently)!



Double yellow showed that - lost control of the packs so binned them rather than try and referee it properly

You said it was play on. Lol