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Wales Six Nations Squad 2025

Gatland is the best coach in the world.
You know I'm not saying that lol.

But his performance with Wales can't be based on results, given how bad the squad are, how bad at running the sport his bosses are, and how the sport is dying in Wales.

I do agree we need a change, especially in back room staff, but I'd also advocate for lining up everyone involved with the WRU in a strategy decision making position since it's inception is lined up against a wall...
 
Hahaha I gey your point, but again my pointbis the fans know very little, they are to be placated and pandered to to keep them onside, but they really are ignorant of the processes of pro rugby, and the goings on in camps.

Regarding the age issue, I see what your saying, but it isn't that simple. It's not that we have a young squad, it's just that we have a massive chasm of talent in the peak age ranges...

Look at Lloyd, Mee, Winnet, Murray, James and Co, they make up halfnthebsquad, then there are 8 players the wrong side of 33/34, in Parry, Falatau, Thomas, Rowlands etc...

The issue isn't age specifically, it's the lack of experience and quality of player, and the desperation in selection.

I mean there are some really sad selections let's be honest, Rhodri William's at 31, he isn't realistically going to make many appearances, or the 2027 RWC, his selection is based on how bad the alternatives are, Hardy, RMW, Davies, and Davies are all poor.

Ben Thomas, he's a clubman, a decent ball player and decent kicker, but ultimately he is average at club level, see his poor showing last night at10. Missed touch, kicked out of hand poorly, misses anything at goal wider than 15m channel, defends poorly etc.

Then there's the sad desperation of selections in Sam Parry, Willgriff, Thomas all selected because of lack of depth.
Adam's, Falatau, Rowlands all selected on name and prayers they can regain form.
Mee, Murray, Lloyd, Tsiunza all selected on a prayer that their potential can somehow realise in camp.

For me, national selection should be about earning that spot, playing well and forcing a selection. It creates a different atmosphere, because players know they aren't first choice, they know where they are in club, league and int pecking order. Parry knows he's 4th choice, Evan Lloyd knows his club captain is a better hooker than him, Thomas and Willgriff know they are average club players...

For me, the only selections that were earnt properly, and can bring some energy and positivity are:

Tommy Reffell - performance week in week out
Freddie Thomas - super this season
Gareth Thomas - shining light of Ospreys pack
Wainright - enough said
Teddy Williams - resurgent form this season
Dan Edward's- knocked on the door all year
Hathaway - great development this year
Owen Watkin - Mr reliable
Tomos - doing Tomos things behind a decent pack
Max Llewellyn - not selected I know but really kickingnon currently.

So 8 selected players, on form, playing well making a statement. The rest of the squad seems like development contracts and filler (with the greatest of respect).

We could have a coaching team, of the greatest ever, and the results would still not come.
I do agree with you in many of the things you say.

A couple of points though, I think your assertation that all fans know little is a load of ******. The fairweather fan maybe, but most on here are extremely knowlegeble, and prove that regularly.

Yes, Gats and other will have access to some stats and data that we don't; but we can still see which players are playing well or not, or who's injured or not match fit. There have been so many examples of times where Gats (and other coaches) clearly get it wrong.

One example from one of his more successful periods of coaching Wales. How long did Gats tell us that Navidi was 'too small for international level', despite consistently performing well for Cardiff and fans calling for his inclusion? Shock horror, when he was given his chance finally he became a mainstay of the side, and one of our best performers!

You highlight Rhodri Williams' selection, and a need to pick on form. Well I will continue to point out that RMW has been the form 9 in Wales for at least 24 months! At 26, he's the perfect age too. You will continue to tell me he's not good enough, and I will continue to say that is rubbish! Easily capable of stepping up with a great all round game, and having big moments for Ospreys on a regular basis. Surely he's the better option given his age? And if box kicking is what you want, then Aled Davies is head and shoulders above other options in Wales in that regard.

I guarantee that Tomos will look **** for Wales anyway as he's forced to play a game oposite to his strengths as an attacking 9. That's why he's looked great for Gloucester after all.
 
I do agree with you in many of the things you say.

A couple of points though, I think your assertation that all fans know little is a load of ******. The fairweather fan maybe, but most on here are extremely knowlegeble, and prove that regularly.

Yes, Gats and other will have access to some stats and data that we don't; but we can still see which players are playing well or not, or who's injured or not match fit. There have been so many examples of times where Gats (and other coaches) clearly get it wrong.

One example from one of his more successful periods of coaching Wales. How long did Gats tell us that Navidi was 'too small for international level', despite consistently performing well for Cardiff and fans calling for his inclusion? Shock horror, when he was given his chance finally he became a mainstay of the side, and one of our best performers!

You highlight Rhodri Williams' selection, and a need to pick on form. Well I will continue to point out that RMW has been the form 9 in Wales for at least 24 months! At 26, he's the perfect age too. You will continue to tell me he's not good enough, and I will continue to say that is rubbish! Easily capable of stepping up with a great all round game, and having big moments for Ospreys on a regular basis. Surely he's the better option given his age? And if box kicking is what you want, then Aled Davies is head and shoulders above other options in Wales in that regard.

I guarantee that Tomos will look **** for Wales anyway as he's forced to play a game oposite to his strengths as an attacking 9. That's why he's looked great for Gloucester after all.
I'm not arguing there are levels of knowledge, but you can be the most knowledgeable person on the planet, and still not know which player attitudes are bad, which players enjoy late night gaming sessions, which players are beating their wives, or have sleep deprivation, or alcohol issues etc...
We also don't know what what long term plans look like, what stage of perdiodaization the plan is in, what the KPIs of the EPDP players are, or even the very ounce of knowledge of culture, chemistry and power struggles.

Have you ever seen any pro coach slate another pro coach? You won't see it because they understand judgements don't matter when your on the outside.

Where Gatland gets it wrong is probably the opposite of that situation. In Navidi he saw a quality underpowered back rower, and he was bang on. Navidi responded to that by becoming bigger and more powerful, probably to the detriment of his longevity. I disagree with Gatlands loyalty to players, if you remember the Cuthbert years, he just got worse and worse, and constantly was selected. Same with Costelow, we all see how bad a player he is, and his head has dropped as he's been played over the last 18 months.

But I suppose for every failure, there are probably a dozen players who have played through a slump, Wainright is probably a good example about 3 seasons ago.

I wouldn't have been devastated by RMW being selected, I don't think he's up to much, box kickingbis awful (even worse than Bevans) but his delivery isnok, and he has a bit of Tomos about him. As an all rounder though, I'd put him on par with Varney, he's not young enough to still be making the mistakes he does, andbis playing behind easily the best club pack in Wales, say what you want about Booth, his attacking breakdown structure was good, allowing a good platform, and making RMW and Edward's express themselves... it's a shame about their back 3 and Keiran William's butchering everything.

What happened to Keoran William's, he looked so good a few seasons ago, and now just trucks everything up without thought?!

Tomos will obviously look harnessed for Wales, he doesn't have the luxury of a competitive pack, a platform, or the autonomy to give things a crack, mostly because high risk rarely acheives high reward in international rugby (certainly not for the lesser teams like us).

Like you I want to see Wales open up, use Tomos as a wild card to disrupt defences, and play an expansive game offloading out wide and scoring tries... the reality though is that we would ship 50+ against any team with a decent scramble and a counter.

Would you want to see Mee and Murray play total rugby with Penaut, Biabiary, and Dupont out there licking their lips? And who's the 13 link man there to conjure this? Robert's?

Realistically, our game plan will be 9 man rugby, the pack plus Tomos. Outside of that we have massive problems, new inexperienced 10, a centre at 10, young inexperienced centres and back 3 options, or elderly returnees out wide.
 
@welshexile

Tonight I'm on Ioan Lloyd watch.

Mixed start, decent kicks to touch, 2 decent goal finders, and playmaking so far so good...

Has managed to miss 3 tackles, 2 in a 10 second period, and the one looked like he stepped out the way of the centre.
 
@welshexile

Tonight I'm on Ioan Lloyd watch.

Mixed start, decent kicks to touch, 2 decent goal finders, and playmaking so far so good...

Has managed to miss 3 tackles, 2 in a 10 second period, and the one looked like he stepped out the way of the centre.
I'm going to watch it later coz I don't trust you as far as I can throw you.

Only joking, I enjoy reading your input.
 
I'm going to watch it later coz I don't trust you as far as I can throw you.

Only joking, I enjoy reading your input.
Hard to judge him on that first half, Vannes are just awful. Unstructured in attack, trying to target the breakdown but giving away pen after pen.
Lloyds missed 4 tackles now, and missed both kicks at goal outside the 15s, realistically both kick able.

He looks good ball in hand, but so would I against this team lol.

The backline look electric, but the defence is so bad it's difficult to give them too much credit. Murray scored a worldy.

The biggest caveat I can say, is that Gareth Davies is looking world class.
 
Murray and Lloyd run through like they weren't there by Camou, he's a 5'10 winger.

Murray has to be better than that
 
Odd 2nd half...

Welsh selected players went ok:

Mee - 6. Didn't really get involved in much, poor in defence, chased kick well.

Robert's- 5. Very poor in defence, dropped 4/5 balls, run up dark alleys and played U20s rugby unsuccessfully.

James - 8 top performance. Unselfish and disciplined. Crashed hard early on over and over, marshalled the defence well, oozed quality in everything he did.

Murray - 7. Scored a worldy, looked lively first half, but really weak in defence. Getting better under a high ball.

Roger's- 7. Effort is there, works hard, finished a try well and defended ok. Interestingly he tried some varied kicking from FB. Grubbered one, chipped one, cross field one etc... none of them came to anything but nice to see his confidence increasing.

Lloyd had a mixed, kicked out of hand ok, ball played ok, defended very poorly, and didn't show much of a kicking range out of hand for some reason.
Plumtree looked cracking, physical, full of energy, led the defence and gave no pens away.
 

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