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<blockquote data-quote="Big Ewis" data-source="post: 661683" data-attributes="member: 57076"><p>BECAUSE they were producing the right players and had a very good growing generation of guys this whole time: Lo Cicero, Ghiraldini, Parisse, Castro, the Bergamascos, Canale, Masi, Zanni, even Luke McLean. That generation, while coached by Brunel, was a work in progress, and they consistently got better. They even played their first ever truly competitive game against the AB in 2009 when they should've been awarded a penalty try and should've finished the game losing 13-20, limiting NZ to only one try.</p><p></p><p>I'm not sure why they've degraded so morbidly as of mid-2013 til now progressively, but my point is: you need the players at the end of the day. That means you need to train the guys, have a large pool of dudes to pick from, the right coaches, infrastructure, know-how and expertise AND THEN practice that against top opposition to build strength through the years. But there was no guarantee during all those 2000's years that Italy would only go up up up. They were doing that, but only in the meantime.</p><p> </p><p>Their pack is today too slow and obsolete, their scrum hasn't been nearly as dominant recently, they don't have particularly good young forwards in the making, their backline is brand new and needs time but there's no guarantee Tommaso Allan will be the 10 they need to animate that backline, they lack power in that backline for today's Rugby, they don't have a true solid ball-carrier, their kicking at goal still isn't really sorted, and overall they just seem an outdated side, too slow collectively on both attack but esp. defense, not enough girth...</p><p>They need to sort all this out, and they need the players to do that.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>obviously you've settled for past clichés about Italy and merely watching their match in Cardiff last Feb. If you'd make that comment, you haven't been watching them from mid-2013 til now. NOBODY is afraid of Italy right now, and have NOT continued to develop.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Big Ewis, post: 661683, member: 57076"] BECAUSE they were producing the right players and had a very good growing generation of guys this whole time: Lo Cicero, Ghiraldini, Parisse, Castro, the Bergamascos, Canale, Masi, Zanni, even Luke McLean. That generation, while coached by Brunel, was a work in progress, and they consistently got better. They even played their first ever truly competitive game against the AB in 2009 when they should've been awarded a penalty try and should've finished the game losing 13-20, limiting NZ to only one try. I'm not sure why they've degraded so morbidly as of mid-2013 til now progressively, but my point is: you need the players at the end of the day. That means you need to train the guys, have a large pool of dudes to pick from, the right coaches, infrastructure, know-how and expertise AND THEN practice that against top opposition to build strength through the years. But there was no guarantee during all those 2000's years that Italy would only go up up up. They were doing that, but only in the meantime. Their pack is today too slow and obsolete, their scrum hasn't been nearly as dominant recently, they don't have particularly good young forwards in the making, their backline is brand new and needs time but there's no guarantee Tommaso Allan will be the 10 they need to animate that backline, they lack power in that backline for today's Rugby, they don't have a true solid ball-carrier, their kicking at goal still isn't really sorted, and overall they just seem an outdated side, too slow collectively on both attack but esp. defense, not enough girth... They need to sort all this out, and they need the players to do that. obviously you've settled for past clichés about Italy and merely watching their match in Cardiff last Feb. If you'd make that comment, you haven't been watching them from mid-2013 til now. NOBODY is afraid of Italy right now, and have NOT continued to develop. [/QUOTE]
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