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heineken said:
of course we do. But then people shouldn't come and say crap that we don't need each other. This is a global game. We SH people are just thankful that the NH countries' currency are so good that a lot of our guys can go there and get a lot of money, while we keep on breeding down here, keep our teams strong and prevent your guys from coming through the ranks, and then when all is done, those vastly experienced guys come back, give us some great insight and then smash the NH teams 80% of the time in matches...
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They have?

Saying the SH needs the NH more =/= We don't need each other
 
heineken said:
Well more in the line of:



This boils down to one conference being better than the other. Which is not true. One is dependant on the other and vice versa...
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It doesn't boil down to that at all.

It boils down to one having more power than the other. Which financially we do.

Of all of the SH unions SA is the one that carries the other two the most. They have the stadiums and market to complete with the NH teams.

My point in all of this is really it's not about a global season for player welfare its about NZ and Australia aligning with the American and Asian sporting calendar and talking those markets.

Tew is whining because their bank accounts have been torpedoed for another 10 yeasts
 
goodNumber10 said:
It doesn't boil down to that at all.

It boils down to one having more power than the other. Which financially we do.

Of all of the SH unions SA is the one that carries the other two the most. They have the stadiums and market to complete with the NH teams.

My point in all of this is really it's not about a global season for player welfare its about NZ and Australia aligning with the American and Asian sporting calendar and talking those markets.

Tew is whining because their bank accounts have been torpedoed for another 10 yeasts
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One having more power over the other is partly why SA has been so annoyed with NZ and Aus. And Steve Tew to a large extent was one of the culprits. But in saying that, through trial and error, it seems that SA will be getting their fair share with the new proposed Super Rugby Competition from 2016.

I am not in disagreement with anyone on this thread, I just think there is a bit of unnecessary hostility about a fair point being made by Steve Tew. if we look at the current season, SA had to start a week earlier than the other teams for the Super Rugby season, and now plays an extra game in the June window than the other teams. then after the June international window, the Super Rugby conference games continue, and then it's the playoffs. If we move the window by a month, then there could be more fair ground for all the teams. A bit of rest never hurt anyone. I really don't know why the NH teams would oppose this proposal. At least then they would have more preparation time for the tests, and maybe, just maybe could actually win more games down here...
 
Well this is it. It makes sense for Super Rugby maybe, but it doesn't feel like it makes sense for NH rugby - so why should Tew complain about them shooting it down? A lot of season alignment proposals out of the SH seem to boil down to "Change it to our way brah" along with a couple of insults and that's a little irritating.

Tbh, before any season alignment stuff can get anywhere, the NH needs to shorten its season. That'll be very difficult as things stand. Cue lots of unhelpful suggestions about how we (mainly England) just need to dump on our clubs and don't care about international rugby.
 
Peat said:
Well this is it. It makes sense for Super Rugby maybe, but it doesn't feel like it makes sense for NH rugby - so why should Tew complain about them shooting it down? A lot of season alignment proposals out of the SH seem to boil down to "Change it to our way brah" along with a couple of insults and that's a little irritating.

Tbh, before any season alignment stuff can get anywhere, the NH needs to shorten its season. That'll be very difficult as things stand. Cue lots of unhelpful suggestions about how we (mainly England) just need to dump on our clubs and don't care about international rugby.
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At least we have suggestions... Instead of continuously shooting down suggestions, why not get together and find equal grounds?
 
Bruce Craig has suggestions. I think one of the other club chairmen floated a few ideas too.

But thankyou for giving it the "We're trying, you're just knuckle draggers" slant aka Why people got hostile about SH ideas.
 
heineken said:
of course we do. But then people shouldn't come and say crap that we don't need each other. This is a global game. We SH people are just thankful that the NH countries' currency are so good that a lot of our guys can go there and get a lot of money, while we keep on breeding down here, keep our teams strong and prevent your guys from coming through the ranks, and then when all is done, those vastly experienced guys come back, give us some great insight and then smash the NH teams 80% of the time in matches...
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Would it not be more there's a hell of a lot more pro teams in Europe than SH. Some semi pro teams in Europe pay more than fully pro lower teams in SH.
 
The domestic seasons have become far too long. THAT is the problem with rugby at the moment. Its ridiculous, the Top 14 runs for 10 fecking months!

FFS why is it necessary to have full home and away matches in both the AP/Top14/Pro12 and the Heineken Cup/Amlin. The NH schedule has the possibility of two teams meeting up to six times in the same season. How boring and repetitive? Why not either reduce the numbers of teams, or ditch the home/away nature of the competitions.

Even ours in the SH is getting too long, and we could have teams meet three times in one season! Pointless and unnecessary!

Rugby has to start doing something different and smarter to grow the game, because there are only 52 weeks in a years, it cannot keep expanding indefinitely
 
Like clockwork...

Cue counter-arguments of international rugby taking up too much space and being boring due to it being the same nations all the time.

Reality - the northern club game won't be shortened and neither will the international calender, due to financial imperatives.

The logical answer is for the two to accept they must co-exist and share the same space better. I suspect this can maybe happen with the Unions bribing the clubs with more money.
 
I think the SH should move their season to align with us. If we move back to october that means we lose the clement weather of september and play more rugby in the winter months - or at least the meaningful rugby that defines the shape of that season.

If everyone moved forward and aligned with the french all the important international rugby would fall towards the end of the season and build towards it and you wouldn't have to move the international windows.
 
heineken said:
At least we have suggestions... Instead of continuously shooting down suggestions, why not get together and find equal grounds?
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because it's horse trading and people will do what is in their best interests and rightly so.

My issue with steve tew, and in some ways the NZRFU, is that when ever he doesn't get his way he walks out of the meeting and starts moaning about the other unions not seeing HIS bigger picture to the press. He has done it here, he continually does it to SARU.

He, and the NZRFU have continually refused to accommodate other nations requests yet everyone should accept theirs without question even when it's not in their own interest.
 
smartcooky said:
The domestic seasons have become far too long. THAT is the problem with rugby at the moment. Its ridiculous, the Top 14 runs for 10 fecking months!

FFS why is it necessary to have full home and away matches in both the AP/Top14/Pro12 and the Heineken Cup/Amlin. The NH schedule has the possibility of two teams meeting up to six times in the same season. How boring and repetitive? Why not either reduce the numbers of teams, or ditch the home/away nature of the competitions.

Even ours in the SH is getting too long, and we could have teams meet three times in one season! Pointless and unnecessary!

Rugby has to start doing something different and smarter to grow the game, because there are only 52 weeks in a years, it cannot keep expanding indefinitely
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yep three competition that are wildly successful in terms of revenue generation and viewing figures should change to accommodate one that is slowly dying.

I agree the season is too long but the reason we need all the games home and away is because our clubs are businesses, and not supported in the same way the NZ unions are... the reason your season is too long is because of the same reasons as ours money.

This whole global season m'larky will not change that it will just give NZ and Australia the scope to attack the Asian market, and USA market as the season would suddenly align outside their major contact sport seasons.
 
scrap the June tests down under. We don't need them. If we're going to reduce the number of league games (which we did by moving from Top 16 to Top 14) the same has to be done at Intl level.
 
A few gems there;

'White SAs were killing black SAs for being black.'... I don't know where to start.
'racists maybe don't want to hear that and maybe the proudest Samoans don't want to hear it'; so a proud white man is automatically a racist while a proud *insert race* is just very proud.

**** this guy.
 
stormer2010 said:
'racists maybe don't want to hear that and maybe the proudest Samoans don't want to hear it'; so a proud white man is automatically a racist while a proud *insert race* is just very proud.

**** this guy.
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My first thought too.
 

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