Super Rugby Atlantic

[Eli05]

New Zealand and Australia started the Super Rugby Pacific post Coronovirus .
South Africa gone north and Argentina's Jaguars does not exist anymore.

Cheetahs, Pumas and Griekwas of South Africa need a international competition and Argentina need to revive a Franchise that is fully professional to keep players in the country.

Nzl & Aus has Super Rugby Pacific, why doesn't SA & Arg start a Super Rugby Atlantic type of competition? The four of them are Sanzaar countries that governed Super Rugby before Corona.
Pasific include teams of Fiji, Samoa amd Tonga and will in due course have teams of Japan and rest of Pacific like USA's Hawai/ Calerfornia.
Atlantic can include teams with SA and Arg teams in current Super Rugby Americas and teams from North America and maybe some of African countries.

Think time zones will be problem with if its a cross over Atlantic competition and of course funds. But that will create opportunities for teams like Cheetahs and Jaguars to be in international club competition again. Second tier countries like USA snd Chile will get better competition that will help them further develope. Just a thought.

 

[Kiwiwomble]

The reality is SA are having fun and making money in Europe…so why would they?

 

[The Seeker]

Eli05: the Bulls, Lions, Sharks and Stormers are doing well, so leaving the URC wouldn't make good business sense. I know you're thinking like a fan which is admirable, but pro sports are a busine$$. Your idea isn't worth the risk. You've still got the Currie Cup. I hope to visit South Africa to see that in person someday.

 

[GalBrEusCat]

SUPER RUGBY ATLANTIC
Bulls (Blue Bulls, Bostwana XV) Pretoria
Cheetahs (Free State Cheetahs, Leopards) Bloemfontein
Lions (Golden Lions, Falcons), Johannesburg
Rhinos (Pumas, Griffons)
Sharks (Natal Sharks, Border Bulldogs) Durban
Southern Kings (Griquas, Mighty Elephants, SWD Eagles) Port Elizabeth
Stormers (Western Province, Boland Kavaliers) Cape Town
Hyenas (Welwitschias, Simbas, Goshawks, Uganda XV) Windhoek
Aguarás (Teros, Cobras, Yacare XV, Ribereños) Montevideo
Ceibos (Dogos XV, Tarucas) Córdoba
Pampas (Pampas XV) Buenos Aires
Selknam (Cóndores XV, Cafeteros Pro, Megaterios) Santiago

CURRIE CUP
Currie Cup Premier Division:
Blue Bulls

Free State Cheetahs
Golden Lions
Griquas
Natal Sharks
Pumas
Western Province
Dogos XV (UCR)
Pampas XV (URBA)
Welwitschies (Namibia XV)

CURRIE CUP
Currie Cup First Division:
Boland Kavaliers
Border Bulldogs
Falcons (or Valke)
Griffons
Leopards
Mighty Epephands (or Eastern Province Elephants)
SWD Eagles
Goshawks (Zimbabwe XV)
Simbas (Kenya XV)
Tarucas (URT)

SUPER RUGBY AFRICA
Les Lionceaux (Algeria)
Vultures (Botswana)
Indomitable Lions (Cameroon)
Ghana XV
Les Éléphants (Ivory Coast)
Simbas (Kenya)
Les Makis (Madagascar)
Atlas Lions (Morocco)
Senegal XV
Carthage Eagles (Tunisia)
Rugby Cranes (Uganda)
Goshawks (Zimbawe)

SUPER RUGBY AMERICA
Cafetereos (Colombia)
Cobras (Brasil)
Cóndores (Chile)
Teros (Uruguay)
Yacaré XV (Paraguay)
Megaterios (URC, USR)
Ribereños (UER, URR)
Serpientes XV (México)
Andinos (Perú, Ecuador)
Anacondas (Guyana and Venezuela)
Caribbean Warriors (Trinidad & Tobago, Cayman Islands, Jamaica, Bermuda, Barbados, St Vincent and the Grenadines)

 

[GalBrEusCat]

SUPER RUGBY AFRICA
Division I:
Springboks (South African Students, from Varsity Cup)
Goshawks (Zimbabwe)
Simbas (Kenya)
Rugby Cranes (Uganda)
Les Makis (Madagascar)
Atlas Lions (Morocco)
Carthage Eagles (Tunisia)
Les Lions de la Teranga (Senegal)
Les Lionceaux (Algeria)
Les Éléphants (Ivory Coast)

Division II:
Les Aigles (Zambia)
Vultures (Botswana)
Black Stallions (Nigeria)
Eagles (Ghana)
Les Étalons (Burkina Faso)
Mauritius XV
Silverbacks (Rwanda)
Burundi XV
Eswatini XV
Indomitable Lions (Cameroon)

SUPER RUGBY AMERICA
Cafetereos (Colombia)
Cobras (Brasil)
Cóndores (Chile)
Teros (Uruguay)
Yacaré XV (Paraguay)
Megaterios (URC, USR)
Ribereños (UER, URR)
Andinos (Perú, Ecuador)
Anacondas (Guyana and Venezuela)
Caribbean Warriors (Trinidad & Tobago, Cayman Islands, Jamaica, Bermuda, Barbados, St Vincent and the Grenadines)

SUPER RUGBY NORTH AMERICA
British Columbia Bears
Prairie Wolf Pack
Ontario Blues / Toronto Arrows
Atlantic Rock
Western Cougars (Western Division, USA)
Colorado Raptors (Central Division , USA)
Southern Panthers (USA Rugby South)
Eastern Hawks (Eastern Division, USA)
Serpientes XV (México)
Caribbean Warriors (Trinidad & Tobago, Cayman Islands, Jamaica, Bermuda, Barbados, St Vincent and the Grenadines)

 

[GalBrEusCat]

SUPER RUGBY ATLANTIC
Bulls (Blue Bulls, Bostwana XV) Pretoria
Cheetahs (Free State Cheetahs, Leopards) Bloemfontein
Lions (Golden Lions, Falcons), Johannesburg
Rhinos (Pumas, Griffons)
Sharks (Natal Sharks, Border Bulldogs) Durban
Southern Kings (Griquas, Mighty Elephants, SWD Eagles) Port Elizabeth
Stormers (Western Province, Boland Kavaliers) Cape Town
Hyenas (Welwitschias, Simbas, Goshawks, Uganda XV) Windhoek
Aguarás (Teros XV, Yacare XV, Cobras, Litorales, Anacondas) Montevideo
Ceibos (Dogos XV, Tarucas) Córdoba
Pampas (Pampas XV, Pescadores) Buenos Aires
Selknam (Cóndores XV, Cafeteros Pro, Megaterios, Andinos) Santiago

CURRIE CUP
Currie Cup Premier Division:
Blue Bulls
Free State Cheetahs
Golden Lions
Griquas
Natal Sharks
Pumas
Western Province
Dogos XV (UCR, USR)
Pampas XV (URBA)
Welwitschies (Namibia XV)

CURRIE CUP
Currie Cup First Division:
Boland Kavaliers
Border Bulldogs
Falcons (or Valke)
Griffons
Leopards
Mighty Epephands (or Eastern Province Elephants)
SWD Eagles
Goshawks (Zimbabwe XV)
Simbas (Kenya XV)
Tarucas (URT, UJR, UAR)

SUPER RUGBY AFRICA
Division I:
Springboks under-20 (South African Students, from Varsity Cup)
Goshawks (Zimbabwe)
Simbas (Kenya)
Rugby Cranes (Uganda)
Les Makis (Madagascar)
Atlas Lions (Morocco)
Carthage Eagles (Tunisia)
Les Lions de la Teranga (Senegal)
Les Lionceaux (Algeria)
Les Éléphants (Ivory Coast)

SUPER RUGBY AFRICA
Division II:
Les Aigles (Zambia)
Vultures (Botswana)
Black Stallions (Nigeria)
Eagles (Ghana)
Les Étalons (Burkina Faso)
Mauritius XV
Silverbacks (Rwanda)
Burundi XV
Eswatini XV
Indomitable Lions (Cameroon)

SUPER RUGBY AMERICAS
Cafetereos (Colombia)
Cobras (Brasil)
Cóndores (Chile)
Teros XV (Uruguay)
Yacaré XV (Paraguay)
Megaterios (URC, URAV, URA, URVCh, USJR, URLS, URSL, USCR, URTF)
Litorales (UER, URR, URuMi, URF)
Andinos (Perú, Ecuador, Bolivia)
Anacondas (Guyana and Venezuela)
Pescadores (UMdP, URS, UROBA)

SUPER RUGBY NORTH AMERICA
British Columbia Bears
Prairie Wolf Pack
Ontario Blues / Toronto Arrows
Atlantic Rock
Western Cougars (Western Division-USA)
Colorado Raptors (Central Division-USA)
Southern Panthers (USA Rugby South)
Eastern Hawks (Eastern Division-USA)
Serpientes XV (México, Costa Rica)
Caribbean Warriors (Trinidad & Tobago, Cayman Islands, Jamaica, Bermuda, Barbados, St. Vincent and the Grenadines, St. Lucia, Bahamas)

Promotion and relegation:
The last-placed American team and the last-placed African team (non-RSA) in the Currie Cup (either in the Premier or First Division) will play a play-off match against the top-placed team from Super Rugby Americas and Super Rugby Africa-Division I respectively.
+Example:
-Single match at the challenger's home.
Craines (Uganda) vs. Simbas (Kenya)
Teros XV (Uruguay) vs. Tarucas (Tucumán, Argentina)

 

[GalBrEusCat]

Hyenas?
Franchise centered around the Welwitschias, as well as the Simbas, Goshawks, Uganda XV,... and tier-1 foreign-born in Africa nations.

HYENAS
HK: Hamel (Brive), Mwanjilwa (Griffons), Nortjé (Peñarol), Oghre (Bristol), van der Westhuizen (Free State Cheetahs), van Jaarsveld (Stade Montois)
PR: Agenbag (ex-Dallas), Benade (Welwitschias), Chawatama (Bristol), Coetzee (Free State Cheetahs), Gomes Sa (Lyon), Ibuanokpe (Saracens), Muranganwa (Aurillac), Nonleh (Northampton), Obano (Bath), Po'o Njike (Albi), Priso (Toulon), Schickerling (Glasgow), Sethie (Welwitschias), Shikufa (Leopards)
SR: Bresler (Vannes), Isiekwe (Saracens), Izuchukwu (Ulster), Katjijeko (Los Angeles), Landsberg (Lions), Ongera (Griffons), Retief (Griquas), Snyman (Benetton), Tjeriko (Welwitschias), Tshiunza (Exeter)
BR: Akuei (Seattle), Booysen (ex-Dallas), Conradie (New England), Hardwick (Ealing Trailfinders), Hireche (Brive), Iposo (Vannes), Itoje (Saracens), !Gaoseb (Tel Aviv), Mavesere (Sharks), Moukete (Aurillac), Muchena (Chicago), Negri (Benetton), E. Tshituka (Sharks) V. Tshituka (Sharks), Venter (Griquas), Weru (Dax)
SH: Kisting (Dinamo Bucaresti), Prior (Western Force), Stevens (New Orleans), Tanga (Sinbas)
FH: Chiwara (Border Bulldogs), Loubser (Carolina), Swanwpoel (Sharks)
CT: Chikutiro (Aurillac), Julius (Sharks), Malan (Hawke's Bay), McNab (Cornish Pirates), Nyamarebvu (ex-Dallas), Mouton (Tel Aviv), Okoth (Simbas), Twum-Boafo (Elephants)
WG: Ambadiang (Castres), Ibitoye (Bristols), Kasende (Ospreys), Mukendi (Golden Lions), Obi (Griquas), Pilati (Dax), Segun (Saracens), Tambwe (Montpellier), Watson (Leicester)
FB: Izaacs (Welwitschias), Mafura (Lions), Nel (Griquas), Rossouw (Seattle)

HK: 6; PR: 14; SR: 10; BR: 16 / SH: 4; FH: 3; CT: 8; WG: 9; FB: 4

 

[GalBrEusCat]

Rhinos?
Franchise centered around the Pumas (Mpumalanga Province), as well as the Griffons (Eatern Free State Province)

RHINOS
HK: Balekile (Pumas), Mbonambi (Sharks), Wenn (Griffons)
PR: de Jager (Griffons), McBeth (Glasgow), Naudé (Lions), Nyakane (Sharks), Prinsloo (Sharks), Stevens (Free State Cheetahs), van der Merwe (Brive)
SR: Annandale (Griffons), Grobler (Sharks), Herbst (Harlequins), Mostert (Honda Heat), van Heerden (Sharks)
BR: Kleinhans (Pumas), Labuschagne (Pumas), Mabuza (Falcons), R. Marais (Brive), Maartens (Free State Cheetahs), Mohojé (Free State Cheetahs), Pretorius (Lions), K. Smith (Shizuoka Blue Revs),
SH: de Klerk (Yokohama Canon Eagles), Nortjé (Griffons)
FH: Masuku (Sharks), Thomson (Rovigo)
CT: Fouché (Griquas), Joubert (Pumas), Petzer (Griffons), van Rensburg (Bordeaux Bègles)
WG: Kok (Ulster), Nkosio (Cheetahs), Senatla (Stormers)
FB: Coetzee (Lions), Kleinhans (Pumas)

 

[GalBrEusCat]

Kyle Godwin

Hyenas?
Franchise centered around the Welwitschias, as well as the Simbas, Goshawks, Uganda XV,... and tier-1 foreign-born in Africa nations.

HYENAS
HK: Hamel (Brive), Mwanjilwa (Griffons), Nortjé (Peñarol), Oghre (Bristol), van der Westhuizen (Free State Cheetahs), van Jaarsveld (Stade Montois)
PR: Agenbag (ex-Dallas), Benade (Welwitschias), Chawatama (Bristol), Coetzee (Free State Cheetahs), Gomes Sa (Lyon), Ibuanokpe (Saracens), Muranganwa (Aurillac), Nonleh (Northampton), Obano (Bath), Po'o Njike (Albi), Priso (Toulon), Schickerling (Glasgow), Sethie (Welwitschias), Shikufa (Leopards)
SR: Bresler (Vannes), Isiekwe (Saracens), Izuchukwu (Ulster), Katjijeko (Los Angeles), Landsberg (Lions), Ongera (Griffons), Retief (Griquas), Snyman (Benetton), Tjeriko (Welwitschias), Tshiunza (Exeter)
BR: Akuei (Seattle), Booysen (ex-Dallas), Conradie (New England), Hardwick (Ealing Trailfinders), Hireche (Brive), Iposo (Vannes), Itoje (Saracens), !Gaoseb (Tel Aviv), Mavesere (Sharks), Moukete (Aurillac), Muchena (Chicago), Negri (Benetton), E. Tshituka (Sharks) V. Tshituka (Sharks), Venter (Griquas), Weru (Dax)
SH: Kisting (Dinamo Bucaresti), Prior (Western Force), Stevens (New Orleans), Tanga (Sinbas)
FH: Chiwara (Border Bulldogs), Loubser (Carolina), Swanwpoel (Sharks)
CT: Chikutiro (Aurillac), Julius (Sharks), Malan (Hawke's Bay), McNab (Cornish Pirates), Nyamarebvu (ex-Dallas), Mouton (Tel Aviv), Okoth (Simbas), Twum-Boafo (Elephants)
WG: Ambadiang (Castres), Ibitoye (Bristols), Kasende (Ospreys), Mukendi (Golden Lions), Obi (Griquas), Pilati (Dax), Segun (Saracens), Tambwe (Montpellier), Watson (Leicester)
FB: Izaacs (Welwitschias), Mafura (Lions), Nel (Griquas), Rossouw (Seattle)

HK: 6; PR: 14; SR: 10; BR: 16 / SH: 4; FH: 3; CT: 8; WG: 9; FB: 4

others Hyena candidates:
HK: Issam Hamel (Soyaux)
PR: Yassin Boutemmani (Soyaux), Omar Dahir (Soyaux), Eliès El Ansari (Colomiers), Zakaria El Fakir (Biarritz), Farai Mudariki (Nevers)
SR: Johan Aliouat (Biarritz), Mehdi Slamani (Aurillac)
BR: Dave Ewers (Stormers)
SH: Ilan El Khattabi (Rouen), Hilton Mudariki (Goshawks)?
FH: Hugo Verdu (Brive), Kyle Godwin (Western Force)
CT: Boyd Rouse (Goshawks)?
WG: Nadir Megdoud (Bayonn), Chadrack Tshimanga (Valke)
FB: TJ Maguranyanga (Valence)

 

[GalBrEusCat]

Hyenas?
Franchise centered around the Welwitschias, as well as the Simbas, Goshawks, Uganda XV,... and tier-1 foreign-born in Africa nations.

HYENAS
HK: Hamel (Brive), Mwanjilwa (Griffons), Nortjé (Peñarol), Oghre (Bristol), van der Westhuizen (Free State Cheetahs), van Jaarsveld (Stade Montois)
PR: Agenbag (ex-Dallas), Benade (Welwitschias), Chawatama (Bristol), Coetzee (Free State Cheetahs), Gomes Sa (Lyon), Ibuanokpe (Saracens), Muranganwa (Aurillac), Nonleh (Northampton), Obano (Bath), Po'o Njike (Albi), Priso (Toulon), Schickerling (Glasgow), Sethie (Welwitschias), Shikufa (Leopards)
SR: Bresler (Vannes), Isiekwe (Saracens), Izuchukwu (Ulster), Katjijeko (Los Angeles), Landsberg (Lions), Ongera (Griffons), Retief (Griquas), Snyman (Benetton), Tjeriko (Welwitschias), Tshiunza (Exeter)
BR: Akuei (Seattle), Booysen (ex-Dallas), Conradie (New England), Hardwick (Ealing Trailfinders), Hireche (Brive), Iposo (Vannes), Itoje (Saracens), !Gaoseb (Tel Aviv), Mavesere (Sharks), Moukete (Aurillac), Muchena (Chicago), Negri (Benetton), E. Tshituka (Sharks) V. Tshituka (Sharks), Venter (Griquas), Weru (Dax)
SH: Kisting (Dinamo Bucaresti), Prior (Western Force), Stevens (New Orleans), Tanga (Sinbas)
FH: Chiwara (Border Bulldogs), Loubser (Carolina), Swanwpoel (Sharks)
CT: Chikutiro (Aurillac), Julius (Sharks), Malan (Hawke's Bay), McNab (Cornish Pirates), Nyamarebvu (ex-Dallas), Mouton (Tel Aviv), Okoth (Simbas), Twum-Boafo (Elephants)
WG: Ambadiang (Castres), Ibitoye (Bristols), Kasende (Ospreys), Mukendi (Golden Lions), Obi (Griquas), Pilati (Dax), Segun (Saracens), Tambwe (Montpellier), Watson (Leicester)
FB: Izaacs (Welwitschias), Mafura (Lions), Nel (Griquas), Rossouw (Seattle)

HK: 6; PR: 14; SR: 10; BR: 16 / SH: 4; FH: 3; CT: 8; WG: 9; FB: 4

Others Hyenas candidates:
HK: Herman Coetzee (Racing 92 espoirs), Issam Hamel (Soyaux)
PR: Yassin Boutemmani (Soyaux), Omar Dahir (Soyaux), Eliès El Ansari (Colomiers), Zakaria El Fakir (Biarritz), Cleopas Kundiona (Nevers), Farai Mudariki (Nevers)
SR: Johan Aliouat (Biarritz), Mehdi Slamani (Aurillac), Paul Willemse (Montpellier)
BR: Dave Ewers (Stormers), Max Katjijeko (Los Angeles), Shingi Manyarara (Racing 92 espoirs)
SH: Ilan El Khattabi (Rouen), Hilton Mudariki (Goshawks)?
FH: Hugo Verdu (Brive), Kyle Godwin (Western Force)
CT: Raymond Rhule (La Rochelle), Gerswin Mouton (Tel Aviv -> Grenoble), Boyd Rouse (Goshawks)?
WG: Nadir Megdoud (Bayonne), Chadrack Tshimanga (Valke)
FB: TJ Maguranyanga (Valence)

HK: 8; PR: 20; SR: 13; BR: 18 / SH: 4+1?; FH: 5; CT: 9+1?; WG: 11; FB: 5

For a final roster of approximately 40 players from 94 candidates
HK: 3/8, PR: 7/20, SR: 5/13, BR: 8/18, SH: 3/4.5, FH: 3/5, CT: 5/9.5 OB: 6/16

 

[GalBrEusCat]

Rhinos?
Franchise centered around the Pumas (Mpumalanga Province), as well as the Griffons (Eatern Free State Province)

RHINOS
HK: Balekile (Pumas), Mbonambi (Sharks), Wenn (Griffons)
PR: de Jager (Griffons), McBeth (Glasgow), Naudé (Lions), Nyakane (Sharks), Prinsloo (Sharks), Stevens (Free State Cheetahs), van der Merwe (Brive)
SR: Annandale (Griffons), Grobler (Sharks), Herbst (Harlequins), Mostert (Honda Heat), van Heerden (Sharks)
BR: Kleinhans (Pumas), Labuschagne (Pumas), Mabuza (Falcons), R. Marais (Brive), Maartens (Free State Cheetahs), Mohojé (Free State Cheetahs), Pretorius (Lions), K. Smith (Shizuoka Blue Revs),
SH: de Klerk (Yokohama Canon Eagles), Nortjé (Griffons)
FH: Masuku (Sharks), Thomson (Rovigo)
CT: Fouché (Griquas), Joubert (Pumas), Petzer (Griffons), van Rensburg (Bordeaux Bègles)
WG: Kok (Ulster), Nkosio (Cheetahs), Senatla (Stormers)
FB: Coetzee (Lions), Kleinhans (Pumas)

Others Rhinos candidates:
HK: Eduan Swart (Pumas), Marnus van de Merwe (Scarlets)
PR: Etienne Janeke (Pumas), Juan Schoeman (Bath), Pierre Schoeman (Edinburgh), Entienne Swanepoel (Rovigo)
SR: Jurie van Vuuren (Los Angeles), Ryno Pieterse (ex-Castres), Carl Wenger (Free State Cheetahs)
BR: Tienie Burger (Rouen), Gerrit-Jan van Velze (ex-Bath)
SH: Rowan Gouws (ex-Los Angeles)
CT/FH: Clinton Swart (Pumas)
WG:
FB: James Verity-Amm (ex-Tel Aviv)